The White Sox Looming Decision

[chitownsportsfan]

Or chitownsportsfan's favorite player, Avi Garcia. I remember when Hahn wanted to trade Peavy for a deal centered around Middlebrooks and KW said no because he preferred Avi. Irony.

 

Wow. I can just shake my head that you are a mod.

[chitownsportsfan]

Jesus.

 

Should I go around correcting everyone's grammar as well?

 

There's a lot of people who annoy me as well, but I put up with them because it's a White Sox fans MESSAGE BOARD. It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable.

 

What has KW done since 2005 that makes him NOT SUCK?

 

If you have a predisposed belief (or non-predisposed, because everyone here, of course, doesn't have a single bias and analyzes statistics and players just as dispassionately as a FanGraphs algorithm) that he's go great, what's YOUR ARGUMENT?

 

He's in the wrong here and digging the hole deeper. If nobody can ever be wrong about a player or season or team or anything then this message board would have zero posts and zero posters. Again I am shocked that the admin team here finds his behavior mod worthy. Why is he a mod, because he posts a lot and has been here awhile? It certainly isn't for his mod skills.

Edited May 4, 2015 by chitownsportsfan

[Dick Allen]

What has KW done since 2005 that makes him NOT SUCK?

I am no fan of KW, but there was the drafting of Chris Sale, and the signing of Jose Abreu. Alexei Ramirez. They did make the playoff in 2008.

 

When you get rattled, your hyperbole machine goes full blast and gets even more inaccurate than usual.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Dick Allen

[chitownsportsfan]

This post hurts my eyes and the post you quoted wasn't directed at you.

 

Again, wow. You call me out for "not defending my position" and your response to him is "this post hurts my eyes". I'm done here. This is beyond poor form it's not any community I want to be a part of. Go Sox. I'll come back another day.

[fathom]

I am no fan of KW, but there was the drafting of Chris Sale, and the signing of Jose Abreu. Alexei Ramirez. They did make the playoff in 2008.

 

When you get rattled, your hyperbole machine goes full blast and gets even more inaccurate than usual.

 

Better question is what has Hahn put on the field to not show that he sucks at his job? I absolutely don't think he sucks, but so far, the results under his tenure have been terrible with very little progress being shown in multiple areas.

[chitownsportsfan]

Is that all you have? You bring it up every time you disagree with me. I have yet to see you point out where I "insulted" you. If mods defending their points disqualifies them from being mods we wouldn't have any mods here. I haven't attacked you. The guy you hate is the reason the Sox have your favorite player. I don't see why that makes you think I shouldn't be a mod. It's worth noting.

 

Hahahahahahahahah. More internet tough guy stuff. Your posts in this thread speak for themselves. Cya another day.

Edited May 4, 2015 by chitownsportsfan

[caulfield12]

This whole forum is becoming ridiculous.

 

Nobody "hates" anyone, or at least, if they do...in the context of sports, it's ridiculous.

 

I was just asked to defend my position, then the response is "it hurts my eyes" because nobody has the patience anymore for anything that isn't a soundbite or "SABRE stats burn" which is just positioning statistics in a way to attempt to make others look dumb/er half the time or exhibit superiority.

 

You can't have it both ways. Either we have intelligent discussions or we just shout at each other...and Dick Allen tries to score points against me or vice-versa.

 

Rattled?

 

Is this a boxing match or a forum?

 

Do moderators get points for how many posters they can upset or provoke arguments with in a single day?

 

Is the main point for everyone just to insult each other out of frustration with how the White Sox are playing and the state of organization in general?

 

Well, I guess if it's preventing some people here from kicking their dogs, throwing the remote control through the screen or beating their wives, GREAT.

Edited May 4, 2015 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

Better question is what has Hahn put on the field to not show that he sucks at his job? I absolutely don't think he sucks, but so far, the results under his tenure have been terrible with very little progress being shown in multiple areas.

63-99

73-89

8-14

 

since he was named GM. Yet, for some reason, with no inside knowledge, he can do no wrong, and everyone else can do nothing right. I absolutely agree with you.

[caulfield12]

Better question is what has Hahn put on the field to not show that he sucks at his job? I absolutely don't think he sucks, but so far, the results under his tenure have been terrible with very little progress being shown in multiple areas.

 

AMEN.

 

There's no way to argue with that. So far, the results are far from conclusive, and he's going to get at least one more year, if not two, but the general trend line is not positive.

[Balta1701]

63-99

73-89

8-14

 

since he was named GM. Yet, for some reason, with no inside knowledge, he can do no wrong, and everyone else can do nothing right. I absolutely agree with you.

If this team continues down the current path, then he's going to be #2 on my list of people who are in the way.

 

No matter how many times you guys say this wasn't "all in", he bet a lot on this season. Traded for a 1 year rental player, spent $50 million this season, basically blew any chance of FA spending in 2016 if the 2015 team wasn't competitive. At the least we were supposed to get close. He bought into Sale and Abreu and Ventura and the supporting cast being able to be right there this year and as of right now it looks like we spent $50 million to tread water.

[caulfield12]

63-99

73-89

8-14

 

since he was named GM. Yet, for some reason, with no inside knowledge, he can do no wrong, and everyone else can do nothing right. I absolutely agree with you.

 

 

It's a little concept known as joint or shared responsibility.

 

Ozzie had it right in 2005 before he put himself ahead of the team.

 

Hahn, KW and Ventura are either part of the problem...or part of the solution. VERY VERY SIMPLE. It's Reinsdorf's job to sort it out.

[fathom]

I am definitely a fan of Hahn and many of his moves but I'm with both of you here.

 

Here's an example of something I fault Hahn for. After last season ended, everyone felt like something had to be done at catcher, especially vs RHP. He didn't bring in a platoon option for Flowers, and so far this year, Flowers/Soto are a combined 11 for 60 vs RHP (.183 average) with 1 homer and 22 strikeouts. A lot of the struggles this year couldn't have been predicted, but the catchers struggling to hit RHP and lack of power from 3rd base were easy to see coming.

[caulfield12]

If this team continues down the current path, then he's going to be #2 on my list of people who are in the way.

 

No matter how many times you guys say this wasn't "all in", he bet a lot on this season. Traded for a 1 year rental player, spent $50 million this season, basically blew any chance of FA spending in 2016 if the 2015 team wasn't competitive. At the least we were supposed to get close. He bought into Sale and Abreu and Ventura and the supporting cast being able to be right there this year and as of right now it looks like we spent $50 million to tread water.

 

 

And the timing of that next wave of younger players (Anderson, Hawkins, Montas, Danish, Johnson and Davidson hopefully) puts them in a difficult situation where....as has happened over and over again the last 15 years....there's simply not enough patience for "on the job" training because of the "all-in/win now" mentality the fanbase demands in order to attend games regularly or consistently.

 

They can't afford to break in all those players at key positions in 2016-17 and still compete.

 

Which means trades and/or FA. Except if the additional resources are cut off, the ONLY way to compete is to hit possible Samardzija and Alexei Ramirez trades over the Dan Ryan Expressway and into Kirby Puckett's old backyard.

 

 

[fathom]

And the timing of that next wave of younger players (Anderson, Hawkins, Montas, Danish, Johnson and Davidson hopefully) puts them in a difficult situation where....as has happened over and over again the last 15 years....there's simply not enough patience for "on the job" training because of the "all-in/win now" mentality the fanbase demands in order to attend games regularly or consistently.

 

Anything those in bold contribute at the big league level would be considered a plus, in my opinion. If those 6 are considered the future.......then yikes!!!!!!!

[Soxfest]

This whole forum is becoming ridiculous.

 

I was just asked to defend my position, then the response is "it hurts my eyes" because nobody has the patience anymore for anything that isn't a soundbite or "SABRE stats burn" which is just positioning statistics in a way to attempt to make others look dumb/er half the time or exhibit superiority.

 

You can't have it both ways. Either we have intelligent discussions or we just shout at each other...and Dick Allen tries to score points against me or vice-versa.

 

Do moderators get points for how many posters they can upset or provoke arguments with in a single day?

 

Is the main point for everyone just to insult each other out of frustration with how the White Sox are playing and the state of organization in general?

It has got really bad the last 2 years.

[southsider2k5]

There is a difference IF Tibs gets fired a Ex Bulls player will not get the job by default, Sox fire Ventura like you said yourself someone in Sox org now will get the job. JR with the Sox is way too loyal in keeping guys around to collect checks for a lifetime.

 

So the problem isn't with Jerry at all then.

[Soxfest]

So the problem isn't with Jerry at all then.

Jerry signs off on all decisions what are you even talking about?

Edited May 4, 2015 by Soxfest

[Balta1701]

So the problem isn't with Jerry at all then.

I wonder if Rick gave him the "here's the continuing rebuilding way, here's the high cost way" choice that KW gave Reinsdorf before the 2011 "all-in" season.

[fathom]

I wonder if Rick gave him the "here's the continuing rebuilding way, here's the high cost way" choice that KW gave Reinsdorf before the 2011 "all-in" season.

 

From every story this past offseason, Jerry told them he didn't want the team to keep losing like they had and they were going to try a quick turnaround this year.

[LDF]

Here's an example of something I fault Hahn for. After last season ended, everyone felt like something had to be done at catcher, especially vs RHP. He didn't bring in a platoon option for Flowers, and so far this year, Flowers/Soto are a combined 11 for 60 vs RHP (.183 average) with 1 homer and 22 strikeouts. A lot of the struggles this year couldn't have been predicted, but the catchers struggling to hit RHP and lack of power from 3rd base were easy to see coming.

 

the problem with the way the FO is setup, no one, that is the fans do not know who runs what and who made what decision.

 

this is like the old godzilla movie the monster call Hydra, the 3 head beast.

 

my point, are we to assume its all on Hahn, or arbitrarily say it is KW?

[southsider2k5]

What are you digging at? What do you want me to admit? That I speculated about KW's influence? Again, I continue to be suprised that you are a mod here. I have been nothing but cordial to you for weeks and you insulted me for no reason after 8 pages of good discussion and then when I answer you you continue to dig at....what exactly?

 

I have no f***ing idea who runs this club at the end of the day. Neither does anyone here unless they are JR or his family.

 

Given that, we can only surmise and use induction. I have surmised that Micah over Sanchez was KW. Why? Because KW has drafted a million Micah's and not a single one has ever panned out. The move reeks of his scouting stereotype hard on -- a track star on the baseball field.

 

How is asking for more proof any indication of how someone is as a moderator? You've been throwing around all kinds of one liners for a while now, and when someone asks for some substance, you turn it into a personal thing instead of actually stepping to the plate. On Soxtalk if you throw out accusations, people will ask you to back them up. This isn't a facebook page where people running around just saying whatever they want without any accountability. Soxtalk is deeper than that.

[LDF]

Jerry signs off on all decisions what are you even talking about?

exactly and look at the final decision that was made on Jose A and the money.

 

it ends with the owners appv.

[LDF]

From every story this past offseason, Jerry told them he didn't want the team to keep losing like they had and they were going to try a quick turnaround this year.

 

but they, the sox org didn't go all in, who final decision was that??

 

does anyone knows??

[southsider2k5]

Jerry signs off on all decisions what are you even talking about?

 

Just like he does with his other team.

[LDF]

Just like he does with his other team.

 

i don't know about that. the GM has final decision. of course he is the extension of the owners trust.

 

as long as i can remember, the owners has always had a major palm in everything that entail money spending.