Javy Guerra DFA

[Dick Allen]

very true, but first, it is that player, that is needed to be put on the waiver. this is a nice discussion for the "what if".

 

but i still need to see, if that player is better than what the sox have at the present.

 

however, dang i really hate me for this, i always have a however. but however, catching is a huge hole in the system.

The problem is nobody is going to waive a good catcher, and if somehow they do, if the Sox aren't first in priority, forget it. If you look at catchers across baseball, as bad as we think Flowers is, or Soto is, there are a lot more guys like them than guys who would be upgrades. A good catcher is worth his weight in gold. That's why there is zero chance the Brewers trade Lucroy.

[LDF]

The problem is nobody is going to waive a good catcher, and if somehow they do, if the Sox aren't first in priority, forget it. If you look at catchers across baseball, as bad as we think Flowers is, or Soto is, there are a lot more guys like them than guys who would be upgrades. A good catcher is worth his weight in gold. That's why there is zero chance the Brewers trade Lucroy.

 

yes you are right, but we are now narrowing down the general question to more a specific one.

[caulfield12]

Think of it this way. If an OF goes down to injury, who is the next call up? That is why the Sox would be watching for OF depth.

 

SP? No. They are looking to make room for Rodon as it is. That will push someone else into relief, and they just cleared a mediocre reliever off of the roster. Next SP up would be Scott Carroll. Odds are you won't find a better reliever on waivers then what Guerra gave you, and they would add him back if needed (assuming he isn't claimed).

 

Skill IF? No. The next guy up is Sanchez, and it isn't even close.

 

Catching? Sure. The odds of finding one are really, really low, especially when the Marlins couldn't get anything at all for Salty, even when being willing to eat his entire contract.

 

OF is at the top of their depth list FOR SURE.

 

Now the trade market would be a different thing. There I am sure they would love a 3B and C.

 

 

I think he meant a top-flight 3b or ss....but the odds of finding someone more than a Danny Valencia or Didi Gregorious level player are about 1 in 100.

[southsider2k5]

I think he meant a top-flight 3b or ss....but the odds of finding someone more than a Danny Valencia or Didi Gregorious level player are about 1 in 100.

 

The context of the conversation was about the waiver wire. You aren't finding a top flight anything on waivers.

[caulfield12]

Thompson didn't even get a September call up in a lost 2014 season. Has that much changed in a month of baseball? I doubt it. Honestly I think if an OF got hurt, you'd probably see Sanchez still get a call up, with Shuck/Bonifacio getting most of the PT in the OF. There is also a non-zero chance that Leury Garcia would get the call up as a guy who has more flexibility for the roster.

 

 

Or Saladino, depending on health and recent performance level.

[caulfield12]

The context of the conversation was about the waiver wire. You aren't finding a top flight anything on waivers.

 

 

JD Martinez disagrees. Ian McHugh, too.

 

And a long line of White Sox pitching castoffs "fixed" by Don Cooper.

[Kyyle23]

JD Martinez disagrees. Ian McHugh, too.

 

And a long line of White Sox pitching castoffs "fixed" by Don Cooper.

 

JD Martinez signed a minor league contract after he was released. Collin McHugh was claimed off waivers

[NorthSideSox72]

Or Saladino, depending on health and recent performance level.

Saladino is still on the DL, and when I was down there wasn't even working out with the club. can't throw much right now, tendonitis. Probably related to TJ recovery. He's not coming up any time soon.

 

[GreenSox]

Hope he clears. I don't know if he's ever been outrighted, but he is a lot better insurance in Charlotte than previous seasons' versions.

Agree

[GreenSox]

And a long line of White Sox pitching castoffs "fixed" by Don Cooper.

Exactly how long a list is that really?

And if you consider how many castoffs were fixed for more than a year, the list gets really short.

 

Thompson didn't even get a September call up in a lost 2014 season. Has that much changed in a month of baseball? I doubt it.

You're probably right, but this is an organization that has long preferred (as long as KW is in charge) utility level talent and declining veterans to young players with less than exemplary credentials. And that's been true even in lost years.

Edited May 7, 2015 by GreenSox

[caulfield12]

Exactly how long a list is that really?

And if you consider how many castoffs were fixed for more than a year, the list gets really short.

 

 

You're probably right, but this is an organization that has long preferred (as long as KW is in charge) utility level talent and declining veterans to young players with less than exemplary credentials. And that's been true even in lost years.

 

 

Loiaza, Marte, Thornton, Politte, Cotts (2005, when it was clear he wasn't going to be a starter), Jose Contreras, Phil Humber, Gavin Floyd and Danks until their injuries (especially 2008-2010/11), Noesi last year, Nate Jones, Petricka, Hector Santiago (we can debate that one....Cooper loved him originally and then soured), David Putnam, Sergio Santos, Bobby Jenks, Jose Quintana....

[Y2Jimmy0]

I completely disagree. They already have a 4th OF who is about on par with other 4th OFs, and they have a guy they see as a key prospect raking in AAA in Trayce Thompson. They also have a guy with a major league track record there, Matt Tuiasosopo, who would likely be better than anything on the waiver wire. I can't see this area being a priority at all.

 

SP "depth" is a major problem because Noesi and Danks are terrible, Rodon is a rookie and can only take one slot anyway, and neither Beck nor Johnson look ready just yet. Skill infielder meaning 3B primarly, which Sanchez has only played sparingly, though I'd say that one is almost as low as OF. Catching is an easy #1. Relief arms are also higher.

 

I'll stick to my guns on this. The only thing lower is 1B.

 

 

Honestly, what would the Sox do with Trayce? I think he'd be a better bench option than Shuck because he's a better CF defender but do the Sox want to relegate Trayce to 4th OF status? If he finally puts it all together, would they rather keep him in Charlotte instead of putting him on the big league bench?

[LDF]

Honestly, what would the Sox do with Trayce? I think he'd be a better bench option than Shuck because he's a better CF defender but do the Sox want to relegate Trayce to 4th OF status? If he finally puts it all together, would they rather keep him in Charlotte instead of putting him on the big league bench?

 

i know this wasn't a reply to me, but let me add this, Trayce performance and Shuck breakout, came as a surprise to me and i am sure, to many as well. i rather have this surplus of extra bodies right now, and later in the season deal with what to do with it.

 

i would like to see this performance continue for more than a month.

[NorthSideSox72]

Honestly, what would the Sox do with Trayce? I think he'd be a better bench option than Shuck because he's a better CF defender but do the Sox want to relegate Trayce to 4th OF status? If he finally puts it all together, would they rather keep him in Charlotte instead of putting him on the big league bench?

Looking at the way the team does things, I definitely see them bringing him up at some point this year as a 4th OF. Probably not yet - likely after the trade deadline and once he's (hopefully) shown his improvement is a lasting thing in AAA. But once he's not been traded, and if he's still looking good, I'd bet he'll see Chicago for at least a September callup and probably more than that. Even if he's only a bench guy from August on (for example), he doesn't lose a lot of development.

 

The question is what to do with him after the season. Assuming the existing starting OFs are healthy, do you want him as a 4th OF long term? Probably not, so he's likely going to be traded to someone who will give him a shot.

 

If an injury occurs, he's the call-up almost assuredly.

 

[LDF]

Looking at the way the team does things, I definitely see them bringing him up at some point this year as a 4th OF. Probably not yet - likely after the trade deadline and once he's (hopefully) shown his improvement is a lasting thing in AAA. But once he's not been traded, and if he's still looking good, I'd bet he'll see Chicago for at least a September callup and probably more than that. Even if he's only a bench guy from August on (for example), he doesn't lose a lot of development.

 

The question is what to do with him after the season. Assuming the existing starting OFs are healthy, do you want him as a 4th OF long term? Probably not, so he's likely going to be traded to someone who will give him a shot.

 

If an injury occurs, he's the call-up almost assuredly.

 

after the season, good question, i can see the sox not picking up EB extension, esp if he doesn't improve as the season gets older. maybe do a package with him and someone else for a prospect / player.

[NorthSideSox72]

after the season, good question, i can see the sox not picking up EB extension, esp if he doesn't improve as the season gets older. maybe do a package with him and someone else for a prospect / player.

What is an EB extension?

 

[caulfield12]

What is an EB extension?

 

I'm guessing Emilio Bonifacio.

[LDF]

I'm guessing Emilio Bonifacio.

 

thanksssss amigo.

[Quin]

I hope Guerra slides through the waiver. Always felt like he could be a good last guy in the pen.

[LDF]

I hope Guerra slides through the waiver. Always felt like he could be a good last guy in the pen.

 

i am in agreement here.

[flavum]

Outrighted to Charlotte today.

[southsider2k5]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 14m14 minutes ago

Javy Guerra accepted his outright assignment to Triple-A Charlotte and is expected to join the Knights tonight. #WhiteSox

 

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Good to have some reliable pen arms in AAA.

[southsider2k5]

Nice. He joins Webb, who still has potential, and Cleto who is excelling so we have at least somewhat intriguing options there to go along with injured Jones and Albers. Surkamp has also quietly been very good. Nothing to write home about but much better than the Fransisco/Troncosos/Buckvich types of years' past.

 

The depth is getting much better.