shysocks Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) Ok to call this a complete an example of failure of the white sox policy of aggressively pushing prospects up to the big leagues as fast as possible and an admission of that failure/attempt to correct it? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I may freak out if Gordon becomes the full-time starting 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 14, 2015 -> 01:40 PM) Damn, this shocked me. If Sanchez is taking over 2B I can deal with it but I really don't want to see Beckham/Emilio getting the majority of the time at 2B. Playing Beckham there just seems like we are going back to 2013 plus I like him better has a utility guy who plays 3B against LHP. And I'm really not a fan of Emilio's game and I don't think he defense is all that great. I honestly won't be mad seeing Beckham get more playing time as long as he's actually hitting like this. Some of that should be at 3b though, sitting Gillaspie against lefties should continue. I'm less annoyed with Beckham playing and Sanchez sitting on the bench than I would be with Micah sitting on the bench regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I really hope this doesn't hurt Micah's psyche. I don't think he is that type of guy or player but we will see. Let's hope he does well at AAA and is back up at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 14, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Ok to call this a complete failure of the white sox policy of aggressively pushing prospects up to the big leagues as fast as possible and an admission of that failure/attempt to correct it? I give them credit for pulling the plug early on their decision to push Johnson so aggressively. Last year it seems was an incomplete season for Johnson due to the injuries he had. Hopefully he comes back a better player when he returns...or Sanchez makes him a valuable trade chip by proving he belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) Bonifacio at 2B Not a fan of that. Nor am I a fan of Gordon getting more playing time to display his flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) I give them credit for pulling the plug early on their decision to push Johnson so aggressively. Last year it seems was an incomplete season for Johnson due to the injuries he had. Hopefully he comes back a better player when he returns...or Sanchez makes him a valuable trade chip by proving he belongs. it's a shame that no one in the white sox front office has access to the stats from Birmingham and Charlotte to be able to judge such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) Should they bat Sanchez in the 2 hole and move Melky to 5/6? I am sure he will hit 9, at least for the time being. The Sox don't like to do wholesale changes to the line up, in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) I think this is more about him working on footwork, making advances on the defensive end. Him working on his bat is nice, but if his defense wasn't historically bad (by advanced metrics), we wouldn't be making this move. Agreed. He needs more reps on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I can't say enough how pissed off I'll be if Sanchez isn't the starting 2B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ May 14, 2015 -> 06:50 PM) I can't say enough how pissed off I'll be if Sanchez isn't the starting 2B He likely will be, but why would it upset you so much if Beckham gets more playing time there? He's earned it so far this year, and it looks like Hahn and company are showing urgency now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) He likely will be, but why would it upset you so much if Beckham gets more playing time there? He's earned it so far this year, and it looks like Hahn and company are showing urgency now. I've seen Gordon put up 115 wRC+ numbers for a scattered month or so for years and I know it just isn't real. Use him like you've been using him. He would be better than Micah, but I doubt he'd be better than Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Good move, Micah was brutal on defense. He'll be good but AAA is the place to refine your skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) He likely will be, but why would it upset you so much if Beckham gets more playing time there? He's earned it so far this year, and it looks like Hahn and company are showing urgency now. I don't think Beckham will keep it up. Also we are just tired of seeing the same thing the past 5+ years. He hasn't had success and we want something different. I personally think he is much better off being a utility guy instead of being a regular starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condor13 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I can see this move for defensive purposes but unless Sanchez has made huge strides since last year it will be a drop in batting average, OBP, baserunning, etc. This move to me makes absolutely no sense especially since this morning the Sox said they were gonna remain patient with Micah since he is the future for the sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:47 PM) it's a shame that no one in the white sox front office has access to the stats from Birmingham and Charlotte to be able to judge such things. Indeed. You should go work for the FO, they need a voice of reason to counter the KW hype train on his guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) I can see this move for defensive purposes but unless Sanchez has made huge strides since last year it will be a drop in batting average, OBP, baserunning, etc. This move to me makes absolutely no sense especially since this morning the Sox said they were gonna remain patient with Micah since he is the future for the sox Micah Johnson has a wOBA of 79 his OPS is 579. He's on pace for -48 runs below average on defense. He's been brutal, below replacement. If anything, he's incredibly lucky that his defensive mistakes haven't been publicly called out and/or led to more runs than they have. There's a very good chance Sanchez will not only out defend Micah (well, that has a 99.9999% chance) but also out hit him. Remember that Micah also has 6 outs on the bases. Just not getting picked off or CS will also help. Edited May 14, 2015 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 14, 2015 -> 06:57 PM) I can see this move for defensive purposes but unless Sanchez has made huge strides since last year it will be a drop in batting average, OBP, baserunning, etc. This move to me makes absolutely no sense especially since this morning the Sox said they were gonna remain patient with Micah since he is the future for the sox Johnson's negative defense was far outweighing any of the positives his offense might have been giving the team. Unless you're talking about Jeff Kent in his prime, it's hard to keep putting a #9 hitting 2nd baseman in the lineup every day if he's on pace for the worst defensive season ever by a 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 There's no way we made this move without giving the starting 2nd base job to Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ May 14, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) I may freak out if Gordon becomes the full-time starting 2B That would be awesome. Hope it comes with a long term extension! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Not personally a fan of doing it this early, but I certainly see the other side. Right now the team is struggling defensively and Micah just isn't there yet on that side of the ball. I would have played it out longer, but I'm not upset either. Sanchez was red hot in Charlotte, though he's fallen off the last few games. Defensively he's a big upgrade right away of course. I hope he gets full time play though, and that is my concern - they may play Beckham and/or Bonifacio so much that Sanchez doesn't get regular time, which is the wrong move IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asindc Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Big fan of Micah. Big fan of this move. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 14, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) Not personally a fan of doing it this early, but I certainly see the other side. Right now the team is struggling defensively and Micah just isn't there yet on that side of the ball. I would have played it out longer, but I'm not upset either. Sanchez was red hot in Charlotte, though he's fallen off the last few games. Defensively he's a big upgrade right away of course. I hope he gets full time play though, and that is my concern - they may play Beckham and/or Bonifacio so much that Sanchez doesn't get regular time, which is the wrong move IMO. the voice of reasons. great post. my hope is Micah doesn't take this to heart and goes into a deep funk like davidson did last yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 14, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Should they bat Sanchez in the 2 hole and move Melky to 5/6? Lillian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I was pretty shocked to hear this on the score while I was headed home. Big Micah fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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