Texsox Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 9 dead, 170+ arrested, franchisee loses their Twin Peaks franchise, stores around them closed for days causing people to lose pay, cops wary(er) of bikers out to hurt them, all the alphabet agencies involved . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Crazy how a shootout and brawl broke out in the restaurant, and not one innocent bystander got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 20, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) Crazy how a shootout and brawl broke out in the restaurant, and not one innocent bystander got hurt. Weren't there like 150 bikers there? How many "Innocent bystanders" can fit into that facility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 20, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) Weren't there like 150 bikers there? How many "Innocent bystanders" can fit into that facility? They were inside and outside. They all showed up at the same time and the restaurant was running like normal, there were people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 20, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) They were inside and outside. They all showed up at the same time and the restaurant was running like normal, there were people there. What I didn't quite understand was that it seemed like cops knew this was gonna happen. A lot of cops were already there before the actual violence started. So on one hand, why the hell didn't Twin Peaks do anything (I saw one of the sergeants on site absolutely blasted both the franchise and corporate for not working with police), and on the other, weren't the innocent patrons a little concerned when they saw that many cops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (farmteam @ May 20, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) What I didn't quite understand was that it seemed like cops knew this was gonna happen. A lot of cops were already there before the actual violence started. So on one hand, why the hell didn't Twin Peaks do anything (I saw one of the sergeants on site absolutely blasted both the franchise and corporate for not working with police), and on the other, weren't the innocent patrons a little concerned when they saw that many cops? The whole situation is really weird. I know I would have left if 170 bikers showed up and started jawing at each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (farmteam @ May 20, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) What I didn't quite understand was that it seemed like cops knew this was gonna happen. A lot of cops were already there before the actual violence started. So on one hand, why the hell didn't Twin Peaks do anything (I saw one of the sergeants on site absolutely blasted both the franchise and corporate for not working with police), and on the other, weren't the innocent patrons a little concerned when they saw that many cops? From what I remember reading, it was a "meeting" between multiple gangs to discuss the recent turf wars that had been going on. They were attempting to settle their differences via words and it didn't quite work out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I keep seeing articles where people are desperately trying to compare this to what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Apples and oranges IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) I keep seeing articles where people are desperately trying to compare this to what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Apples and oranges IMO. This wasn't even the worst botched legal operation in Waco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 21, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) This wasn't even the worst botched legal operation in Waco. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 21, 2015 -> 12:09 PM) Huh? The attempted arrest of the Branch Davidians / David Koresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Tex @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:23 PM) The attempted arrest of the Branch Davidians / David Koresh You'd describe this shootout as a "Legal operation"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 This was a somewhat frequent meeting of the biker groups. Most were already aligned with the Bandidos. Only after a couple gangs, not associated with the Bandidos showed up were there problems. I've been in that shopping center and it is surprising that only bikers were shot and killed. And, to be fair, until the investigation is finished we don't know if any innocent people were killed. Not everyone was fighting, many were ducking for cover, and far fewer were shooting. One of the Texas newspapers guessed that charges will be dropped for almost all of the people arrested. The cops arrested everyone, the courts set the bail at $1,000,000 each. So even guys hiding or helping people to safety were arrested if they were wearing colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) I keep seeing articles where people are desperately trying to compare this to what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Apples and oranges IMO. I am seeing this as well and while I have put no effort into discovering, is there an untold racial component to this story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) You'd describe this shootout as a "Legal operation"? I'm guessing what the earlier poster was suggesting. David Koresh's attempted arrest and media event was a law enforcement operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 22, 2015 -> 02:30 PM) I am seeing this as well and while I have put no effort into discovering, is there an untold racial component to this story? Here are white people rioting and killing people and the coverage is much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) I am seeing this as well and while I have put no effort into discovering, is there an untold racial component to this story? They were predominantly white, but if you compare the opening of this thread to the opening of the Baltimore thread there is no commentary on how these people demonstrate that white people are uncivilized or how white people are playing into the stereotype of them being excessively violent. Basically a riot is a statement on African Americans but a brawl and shootout involving dozens, hundreds of people does not reflect at all on the race of the people who did that. There are also some images which highlight the contrast of lots of people calmly sitting around in handcuffs held by police afterwards compared with how people picked up in Baltimore were treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Tex @ May 22, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) Here are white people rioting and killing people and the coverage is much different. The coverage is different because they are different situations. This is much more comparable to the daily violence in Chicago than the riots in Ferguson or Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Lets see. Biker gangs shoot each other. That's what biker gangs do, hence the lack of surprise. Previously (allegedly) lawful residents of a town start rioting and looting, people are surprised and ask why. Interesting watching all the anti gun groups falling all over themselves trying to find a way to tie this to the NRA. You think background checks, waiting periods and smaller magazine limits would have made a difference? remember, these guys SELL illegal guns. Which they don't get from straw buyers down at Gander Mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) There are also some images which highlight the contrast of lots of people calmly sitting around in handcuffs held by police afterwards compared with how people picked up in Baltimore were treated. You didn't notice the nice AR-15's the police had to help them? Funny how superior firepower can make someone quiet down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) Interesting watching all the anti gun groups falling all over themselves trying to find a way to tie this to the NRA. You think background checks, waiting periods and smaller magazine limits would have made a difference? remember, these guys SELL illegal guns. Which they don't get from straw buyers down at Gander Mountain. Do you think a law against murder would have made a difference? How about if Texas executed more people than all other states combined make a difference? Clearly no law or punishment would have made a difference. Unless perhaps, the situation would have been worse with larger magazines, more people armed, etc. Does anyone really think laws are designed to stop people from doing something? Laws are designed to establish the penalties for violating that law. The logic of not having a law simply because it will not stop someone would mean we would reject every law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 QUOTE (Tex @ May 22, 2015 -> 03:40 PM) Do you think a law against murder would have made a difference? How about if Texas executed more people than all other states combined make a difference? Clearly no law or punishment would have made a difference. Unless perhaps, the situation would have been worse with larger magazines, more people armed, etc. Does anyone really think laws are designed to stop people from doing something? Laws are designed to establish the penalties for violating that law. The logic of not having a law simply because it will not stop someone would mean we would reject every law. Tex, most of the laws that various anti groups propose are not just for 'establishing the penalties', they are for making more difficult for the average gun owner to be a gun owner. The logic in Moms Demand Whatever screaming that stronger background checks would have stopped this is absurd. Most, if not all, of those bikers are already prohibited persons in regards to firearm ownership, so they can't legally pwn guns. Making it harder for someone like ME to get a gun won't do a thing to stop someone like biker gangs from getting guns. To claim it would would just be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 CNN said tonight the bikers may be targeting police vehicles to blow them up. My gawd. Throw all these bastards into prison and throw away the key! Barbaric. Hope these bastard bikers are ready to do the time when they do that crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Damn lawless white people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share Posted May 24, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 22, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) Tex, most of the laws that various anti groups propose are not just for 'establishing the penalties', they are for making more difficult for the average gun owner to be a gun owner. The logic in Moms Demand Whatever screaming that stronger background checks would have stopped this is absurd. Most, if not all, of those bikers are already prohibited persons in regards to firearm ownership, so they can't legally pwn guns. Making it harder for someone like ME to get a gun won't do a thing to stop someone like biker gangs from getting guns. To claim it would would just be wrong. So are you suggesting that because it would not have stopped this, it is a bad law? It's not going going to stop outlaws, no law does. Laws against murder backed with capital punishment didn't stop this. I'm not seeing your point. BTW, many of the people arrested had no criminal history, in fact an AP search revealed that 115 of those arrested had never been arrested in Texas. Almost all of the arrested lived in Texas, so it probably can't be blamed on outside agitators coming to the Lone Star State.. There are a lot of people riding with those gangs that do not commit any crimes. Four of those killed also had no convictions. You've been watching too many movies and reality shows. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-...-biker-31213850 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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