Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Bart's given the White Sox a chance to win almost everytime he has gone out there . He got rocked in Texas, got rocked another time when he warmed up 3 times and JM still used him, got rock another rain delayed game where he had already warmed up, he was also rocked against SF after pitching a gem for 8 innings. If the Sox had a manager with a clue, and an offense that was at least average the first half he'd be battling Esteban for the CY Young. Of course, if the offense I am calling for was there for Esteban the first half he might have 24 or 25 wins. Bartolo also has 7 complete games which is one off his career high set last season. No matter what anyone writes, the gentleman is not going to change his mind about Bartolo, so responding is an exercise in futility. Just get ready for his next Tub of Goo thread Bart's next start. Loaiza has had the same team behind him all year as GooBoy has. Unless you think that the team plays harder for Esteban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Theory? Are the games played to win, or to say 'we did good, just wait until next year' ? I said stat for pitchers. Hudson has had a bunch of games blown by his bullpen this year. Does the fact that he has less wins than Moyer mean that Moyer is having a better year? Stop playing around with words and answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Oh good grief ladies... shadddup!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 I'm not here to convince you, nor anyone else of anyhing. Where'd you get that silly idea? 'Speculative'? Uh, yea, that's why I said it was my opinion. 'Wins'. GooBoy was brought here to win. Pitchers are judged by wins, last I looked. Cy Young recipients get it by getting Wins. 20 game Win seasons are a goal of most pitchers. 20 game Win seasons get the pitcher multi million dollar contracts. The team with the most wins is given first place, last I checked. And the teams with the most Wins at the end of the season go to the playoffs. In the playoffs teams with the most Wins advance, and the one with the most wins in the playoffs is called the 'World Series Champion'. Did they change something? Or were you talking about something other than baseball? Well, in a previous post, you said, "OK, I'll play." If that didn't mean you were going to try and put forth a convincing argument, then what did your statement mean? Nolan Ryan is in the Hall of Fame, and his win total had little, if anything, to do with it. Randy Johnson is a HOF lock, and his win total isn't that impressive either. Regardless, yes, wins are the most important thing in baseball, but 9 other players(8 in the NL) factor heavily on whether a pitcher is granted a win. By your logic, ARod isn't a stud hitter because his team doesn't win much. Just because it's an official stat for pitchers doesn't change the fact that ARod has almost as much to do with whether the Rangers get a win as whoever is pitching does. Would you be happy if Colon was 14-6 with a 5.48 ERA, and 75 K's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Look at the most wins Kerry Wood has ever had in a year and his career numbers. He will be going into the offseason asking for the same money as Colon and I believe he has never won more games than Danny Wright did last year. What was Chan Ho Park's record before he got $12M/year from the Rangers? Nolan Ryan was barely over .500 for his career. Steve Carlton lost 20 games in a season. Esteban Loiza should have over 20 wins this year why doesn't he, yet? Loaiza has 6 more Wins than GooBoy. Soon maybe 7. Wood is not on the Sox, nor will he be, so who cares? In case you didn't notice, on the South Side of Chicago, we only pay pitchers who win. And those need to be convincing winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Oh there's a really great one on Roosevelt Road. Next time you come by we'll have to go for some pie. From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 [Nolan Ryan is in the Hall of Fame, and his win total had little, if anything, to do with it. Randy Johnson is a HOF lock, and his win total isn't that impressive either. Regardless, yes, wins are the most important thing in baseball, but 9 other players(8 in the NL) factor heavily on whether a pitcher is granted a win. By your logic, ARod isn't a stud hitter because his team doesn't win much. Just because it's an official stat for pitchers doesn't change the fact that ARod has almost as much to do with whether the Rangers get a win as whoever is pitching does. Would you be happy if Colon was 14-6 with a 5.48 ERA, and 75 K's? Wins are how pitchers are judged, not hitters. ARod is a hitter. Let's take your example, and his team. The Texas Rangers have a great lineup, why don't they win? Why are they in last place? Is it their SS?, Their catcher? Their outfiled? The infielders, maybe? I suspect it's because they have no pitching. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Loaiza has had the same team behind him all year as GooBoy has. Unless you think that the team plays harder for Esteban. Your right. Loaisa easily could be 22-3 or 23-3 with 4 more runs being scored for him. If Colon doesn't have those 2 rain delay fiasco's which historically he has been brutal in, one was right after the all star break, the entire staff was rested, and gets yanked against SF when it was apparent to everyone he was out of gas, and the offense gets him a couple more wins is very likely his numbers would be identical to last seasons, maybe a little better. There's no question Esteban is the frontrunner for the Cy Young, and if he had any breaks would be a lock. If Colon was handled correctly and had a few breaks he could have been his top challenger.There are a lot of big name big money pitchers who have been not nearly as effective as Bartolo this year, and at the cost of Rocky Biddle, he of the 7.71 era after the all star break, and Antonio Osuna who is hanging by a thread on the Yankees roster, it was one KW trade where he did the fleecing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Would you be happy if Colon was 14-6 with a 5.48 ERA, and 75 K's? 14 wins? Nope. Now if he were 17 or 18 and 10 or 12, ('horse' you know) and had an ERA od 5.50 and 75K's, yea, I'd take that. We'd then have about a 4-6 game lead over the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Your right. Loaisa easily could be 22-3 or 23-3 with 4 more runs being scored for him. If Colon doesn't have those 2 rain delay fiasco's which historically he has been brutal in, one was right after the all star break, the entire staff was rested, and gets yanked against SF when it was apparent to everyone he was out of gas, and the offense gets him a couple more wins is very likely his numbers would be identical to last seasons, maybe a little better. There's no question Esteban is the frontrunner for the Cy Young, and if he had any breaks would be a lock. If Colon was handled correctly and had a few breaks he could have been his top challenger.There are a lot of big name big money pitchers who have been not nearly as effective as Bartolo this year, and at the cost of Rocky Biddle, he of the 7.71 era after the all star break, and Antonio Osuna who is hanging by a thread on the Yankees roster, it was one KW trade where he did the fleecing. IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 IF. Its half your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Look at the most wins Kerry Wood has ever had in a year and his career numbers. He will be going into the offseason asking for the same money as Colon and I believe he has never won more games than Danny Wright did last year. What was Chan Ho Park's record before he got $12M/year from the Rangers? Nolan Ryan was barely over .500 for his career. Steve Carlton lost 20 games in a season. Esteban Loiza should have over 20 wins this year why doesn't he, yet? Loaiza has 6 more Wins than GooBoy. Soon maybe 7. Wood is not on the Sox, nor will he be, so who cares? In case you didn't notice, on the South Side of Chicago, we only pay pitchers who win. And those need to be convincing winners. I must've missed that with all of the champagne from the championships in my eyes. We are spoken of in the same breath as the Yankees and A's this year because of Buerhle, Loiaza, Colon and Garland. We do not gamble on pitching at any cost and it shows with our lack of production as an organization. I mention Kerry Wood as he will get paid because of his talent not his win count. I thought we were talking about baseball, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Colon's season mirrors almost everyone else on this teams. He's getting hot the second half along with the rest of the team. A strong performance from Mark tonight and then enjoy the rest of the week. Damn I wish we were feasting on the Tigers instead of Yankmees. I hope the Yanks are switching to glide soon. E-Lo, Bart, and Mark you gotta love that 1-2-3 rotation and Cy Garland's been showing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Colon's season mirrors almost everyone else on this teams. He's getting hot the second half along with the rest of the team. A strong performance from Mark tonight and then enjoy the rest of the week. Damn I wish we were feasting on the Tigers instead of Yankmees. I hope the Yanks are switching to glide soon. E-Lo, Bart, and Mark you gotta love that 1-2-3 rotation and Cy Garland's been showing up. The one thing that scares me about the Yankees, while the Sox have played them well in New York, they have struggled against them here. The fact that its late September and their pitchers are 100 years old may help matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Oh c'mon Steffikins, like you arent getting a world of ideas from that Britney Spears/Madonna pic from the MTV Awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Oh there's a really great one on Roosevelt Road. Next time you come by we'll have to go for some pie. Mashed potatoes and pie. That'll make for some nice curves... Let the young and dumb have the 'toothpicks'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 I must've missed that with all of the champagne from the championships in my eyes. We are spoken of in the same breath as the Yankees and A's this year because of Buerhle, Loiaza, Colon and Garland. We do not gamble on pitching at any cost and it shows with our lack of production as an organization. I mention Kerry Wood as he will get paid because of his talent not his win count. I thought we were talking about baseball, sorry. I was talking about baseball. You were talking about cUB pitchers. And in case you haven't noticed, the only place we're mentioned in the same breath with the Yankees and such is on White Sox message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Oh c'mon Steffikins, like you arent getting a world of ideas from that Britney Spears/Madonna pic from the MTV Awards. Ugh. Puke! All the people those two have swaped spit with makes me sick actually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Oh c'mon Steffikins, like you arent getting a world of ideas from that Britney Spears/Madonna pic from the MTV Awards. Ugh. Puke! All the people those two have swaped spit with makes me sick actually... So I guess then any hope of seeing you in a future Vivid Video production is out of the question? Steff, art thou a prude? This is going to wind up being moved to the Off Topic Board, unless anyone wants to continue debating the merits of one zaftig hispanic hurler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Oh c'mon Steffikins, like you arent getting a world of ideas from that Britney Spears/Madonna pic from the MTV Awards. Ugh. Puke! All the people those two have swaped spit with makes me sick actually... So I guess then any hope of seeing you in a future Vivid Video production is out of the question? Steff, art thou a prude? This is going to wind up being moved to the Off Topic Board, unless anyone wants to continue debating the merits of one zaftig hispanic hurler. Prude...? Naaa. But no, you will not see me in anything produced by VV. BTW, Is that Jenna Jamison's (sp?) company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Yeah, sometimes i'm illiterate, but on the writing part, because i understand 90% of the things that you write. If you try to write something in other language, you will write wrong sooner or later. Try to come here and talk to other people...i dont wanna be next to you if that happens. I don't believe for a moment that you understand anything that I write. Did you go back and look yet, puppy? BLha, blah, blah... Go find a pussy so you can relax*. * If you like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Oh that was real mature, wasn't it? Here Raf.. you hold this one :dips*** , and Corg.. you hold this one :dips*** . Now go find somewhere else to play kids. You've both dished so much crap today we'll all be wearing boots around here for weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 From the looks of you in those photos, I don't think you eat a whole lot of pie! But that does sound yummy, that sounds good to me! OK, which one of you is going for the easy crude lesbian joke off this post? Ugh.. don't ruin it. Oh c'mon Steffikins, like you arent getting a world of ideas from that Britney Spears/Madonna pic from the MTV Awards. Ugh. Puke! All the people those two have swaped spit with makes me sick actually... So I guess then any hope of seeing you in a future Vivid Video production is out of the question? Steff, art thou a prude? This is going to wind up being moved to the Off Topic Board, unless anyone wants to continue debating the merits of one zaftig hispanic hurler. Prude...? Naaa. But no, you will not see me in anything produced by VV. BTW, Is that Jenna Jamison's (sp?) company? I don't think so, she has her own company, the name of which escapes me. I guess if I'm watching anything pornographic, the last thing I'm worried about is who actually produced the damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Oh that was real mature, wasn't it? Here Raf.. you hold this one :dips*** , and Corg.. you hold this one :dips*** . Now go find somewhere else to play kids. You've both dished so much crap today we'll all be wearing boots around here for weeks. Sorry, Steff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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