Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I'm pretty sure the Sox won't be giving up a 2016 1st rounder to sign a QO Free Agent. Scratch big impact bat with QO attached off of the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Stop answering to KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) I'm pretty sure the Sox won't be giving up a 2016 1st rounder to sign a QO Free Agent. Scratch big impact bat with QO attached off of the list. Nor should they. They have guys that they trade on the active roster right now and get solid returns and still be in the playoff mix in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ May 30, 2015 -> 10:52 PM) Nor should they. They have guys that they trade on the active roster right now and get solid returns and still be in the playoff mix in 2016 And who will play SS and 2b for this playoff contender after you deal Ramirez? Other than Jeff and Alexei, there are no other players to deal and expect anything near major league ready (like Avi or Davidson/Eaton) in return. LaRoche, Robertson, Duke and Bonifacio would just be salary dumps. Beckham might have more value due to his versatility and improved offense this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2015 -> 12:02 AM) And who will play SS and 2b for this playoff contender after you deal Ramirez? Other than Jeff and Alexei, there are no other players to deal and expect anything near major league ready (like Avi or Davidson/Eaton) in return. LaRoche, Robertson, Duke and Bonifacio would just be salary dumps. Beckham might have more value due to his versatility and improved offense this year. They won't be trading Duke, Robertson, or LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 31, 2015 -> 05:08 AM) They won't be trading Duke, Robertson, or LaRoche. Why not? I guess you could keep Robertson but he's being wasted this season and we know the shelf life of relievers isn't long. Trade him now while you can get a king's ransom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 31, 2015 -> 12:10 AM) Why not? I guess you could keep Robertson but he's being wasted this season and we know the shelf life of relievers isn't long. Trade him now while you can get a king's ransom. Because they want to win in 2016 and they aren't going to turn around and deal guys that they just gave multi-year deals too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ May 31, 2015 -> 12:10 AM) Why not? I guess you could keep Robertson but he's being wasted this season and we know the shelf life of relievers isn't long. Trade him now while you can get a king's ransom. If they continue to play poorly, they will most likely trade Ramirez and dump Bonifacio on someone. They will weigh whether or not it's better to trade Shark or take the comp pick. I don't really see anyone else getting moved though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Outside of the obvious names, Beckham is arguably easier to deal than Bonifacio due to their contracts, but they're essentially stuck with possible Samardzija and Ramirez moves. None of the top 10 or so minor league prospects have elevated their value since the end of 2014. Dealing Ramirez means you have to replace him to compete next year, but with who? Stephen Drew? Tim Anderson? Sanchez...Saladino....Leury? Hard to sell a competing team with two gaping holes up the middle, at catcher, 3B, LF and still short at least one 8th inning guy in the bullpen. Edited May 31, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2015 -> 07:15 AM) Outside of the obvious names, Beckham is arguably easier to deal than Bonifacio due to their contracts, but they're essentially stuck with possible Samardzija and Ramirez moves. None of the top 10 or so minor league prospects have elevated their value since the end of 2014. Dealing Ramirez means you have to replace him to compete next year, but with who? Stephen Drew? Tim Anderson? Sanchez...Saladino....Leury? Hard to sell a competing team with two gaping holes up the middle, at catcher, 3B, LF and still short at least one 8th inning guy in the bullpen. and taping into the fa pool and loosing picks in not a way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ May 30, 2015 -> 07:04 PM) Avoid signing career NL players. My defense of LaRoche is he has to adjust to a new league of pitchers. I thought Adam Dunn left him his little black book??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) If I'm the Blue Jays and Alex Anthopoulos, yes because a starting pitcher of Shark's caliber could make my team the favorite to win the division. Plus the farm in Toronto is really deep, especially on arms. If I'm the Astros, I would stand pat but I've read in a few places that they're looking to add pitching. Toronto could be a seller rather than a buyer by July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:48 PM) I'm pretty sure the Sox won't be giving up a 2016 1st rounder to sign a QO Free Agent. Scratch big impact bat with QO attached off of the list. Sox #1 pick in 2016 will be protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Kenny and Buddy need to be sent packing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:52 PM) Stop answering to KW Why would Rick Hahn quit his job when he literally turned down other interview requests because he wanted the White Sox GM job so badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Considering how a lot of people can't take 2 weeks of Carlos Sanchez struggling, even though there was a walk off hit in there, it pretty much answers the question why a total teardown and rebuild will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) Considering how a lot of people can't take 2 weeks of Carlos Sanchez struggling, even though there was a walk off hit in there, it pretty much answers the question why a total teardown and rebuild will never happen frustration, whether anyone like its or not. it really shows that the fans do care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The irony is that being mediocre year after year for a decade is much worse than rebuilding. The issue isn't rebuilding...it's finding someone we can actually trust to develop young players, especially position players. How can we rebuild when we can't even successfully produce one player over a full decade...unless you want to "credit" someone for Gordon Beckham? Or Marcus Semien...but would Marcus have a 750-800 ops if still around? Doubtful. It's not about being impatient with young players and giving them time to develop. It's about being stuck with players like Beckham and Flowers year after year...players who don't improve and often regress over time. If Carlos Sanchez or Conor Gillaspie had the ability to be Top Ten players at their position (like a Joe Crede)...sure, but they max out at 15-18 and that's absolute ceiling if everything goes perfectly like with Conor last year. More than likely, they're botton third guys and you can only have 2-3 in your line-up like that, not 5-6. Obviously, that's counting on Eaton and Avi, and the jury's still out on those two. If the White Sox fans had Bryant, Russell, Soler, Baez and Schwarber to cheer for...at least they would be excited like Sox fans when Ventura, Sosa, One Dog and Thomas came up...or later when Durham, Magglio, C-Lee, Cameron/Konerko, Singleton, Rowand and Crede debuted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) The irony is that being mediocre year after year for a decade is much worse than rebuilding. The issue isn't rebuilding...it's finding someone we can actually trust to develop young players, especially position players. How can we rebuild when we can't even successfully produce one player over a full decade...unless you want to "credit" someone for Gordon Beckham? Or Marcus Semien...but would Marcus have a 750-800 ops if still around? Doubtful. It's not about being impatient with young players and giving them time to develop. It's about being stuck with players like Beckham and Flowers year after year...players who don't improve and often regress over time. If Carlos Sanchez or Conor Gillaspie had the ability to be Top Ten players at their position (like a Joe Crede)...sure, but they max out at 15-18 and that's absolute ceiling if everything goes perfectly like with Conor last year. More than likely, they're botton third guys and you can only have 2-3 in your line-up like that, not 5-6. Obviously, that's counting on Eaton and Avi, and the jury's still out on those two. If the White Sox fans had Bryant, Russell, Soler, Baez and Schwarber to cheer for...at least they would be excited like Sox fans when Ventura, Sosa, One Dog and Thomas came up...or later when Durham, Magglio, C-Lee, Cameron/Konerko, Singleton, Rowand and Crede debuted. People here couldn't wait for AJ to leave. Flowers defense alone was going to make him more valuable than AJ ever was. People loved Sanchez, and giving him 2 weeks of AB befor pulling the plug is silly. Just like the dump Alexei movement. Call Tim Anderson up this year or the frist couple of months of next, he will be seen as a guy who cannot hit or field. Edited May 31, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) Considering how a lot of people can't take 2 weeks of Carlos Sanchez struggling, even though there was a walk off hit in there, it pretty much answers the question why a total teardown and rebuild will never happen Tearing this team down completely is stupid, but letting the fans run your franchise is equally so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ May 31, 2015 -> 07:29 AM) Sox #1 pick in 2016 will be protected. Nah. I don't think they'll finish with one of the 10 worst records. They'll be near .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) Considering how a lot of people can't take 2 weeks of Carlos Sanchez struggling, even though there was a walk off hit in there, it pretty much answers the question why a total teardown and rebuild will never happen Actually Sanchez has struggled for a month. His average had dropped 60 points over 3 weeks before he was recalled from AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Agreed that this team will never be able to get into the playoffs until we can start developing position players. I could not articulate it well enough, but throughout the offseason one reason I was so excited for this year is it felt like it would define whether Hahns new tenure was working. At the time I was confident it was and would... But now we are staring in the face a team with slumping pitching that I'm confident will turn, but a bad defensive and offensive team with a woeful lack of power. At the same time this is year 3 of a GM that put added resources into turning our farm system around. This is a big year for these prospects, and it is a bit scary to see the results. Up and down the system, over and over, same story. Our future players continue to struggle with contact, have high k rates and can't walk. No one has failed, but they are just fine. And no one ever seems to come out of nowhere and develop on hitting side. So I don't know where he goes from here. But buddy bells stranglehold on player development is terrifying. My only hope is he leaves voluntarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Would just like to point out that almost every team in baseball could use another catcher, and half of them could use two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ May 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Channeling my inner Dick Allen, the Sox lineup in the 2008 playoffs featured zero players the White Sox drafted. Alexei was the only player that had played only for the Sox. I read something yesterday where they are crying in Boston hoping this new guy they called up is goodbecause it has been since 2007 they have brought up a sarting pitcher that has been good for them. And that includes years with the great Theo in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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