KW: play is "embarassing" but team can still win ALC

[greg775]

We obviously have the pitching pieces in Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Duke, Robertson...the problem is there's not a single offensive player without a major set of flaws (offense, defense, baserunning, etc.) on the roster.

 

Eaton and Garcia have a lot of potential (still), but neither are "sure things" at this point. I'm a bit more confident in Eaton fwiw. Then there's LaRoche.

 

 

The problem is that leaves LF, 3B, SS, 2B and catcher as ongoing issues. That's a lot of positions to fix when you are stuck with some contracts like Danks and Cabrera, we still don't have much of a minor league system from which to make trades (and that probably not even being the wise strategy at this point)...the best players are still 1 to 1 1/2 seasons away...and there's not going to be a huge amount of financial flexibility compared to this past off-season.

Good post. You identified the only assets this team has.

[caulfield12]

Matt Lucroy for a gang of prospects, then, makes all the sense in the world. One executive, though, described the market for a catcher as “barren.” And a view of both contenders and non-contenders seems to back up that contention. Catcher is a strong position around baseball today, full of usable pieces, and while Lucroy at the dirt-cheap $9.5 million for the next two seasons would be an upgrade over everybody not named Posey, the price might be too exorbitant for buyers. It’s a similar situation with …

 

2. Ryan Howard out of a Phillies uniform. Life remains in the former MVP’s bat, as his 10 home runs exemplify. Except …

He’s 35 years old. And he still swings and misses more than anybody but Jimmy Paredes and Avisail Garcia.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees--t...jNfMQRzZWMDc2M-

 

 

What would it cost for Justin Upton? More than we can afford to give up from our minor league system, one would guess.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

Good post. You identified the only assets this team has.

In basically the same posts he has posted a thousand times telling us all how terrible and hopeless the White Sox situation is, he did fail to mention Jose Abreu as an asset. Of course he is the one who ripped the White Sox and KW for getting Alex Rios, yet somehow the same Alex Rios is supposedly a huge asset and a big loss when he was injured to KC.

 

 

[caulfield12]

In basically the same posts he has posted a thousand times telling us all how terrible and hopeless the White Sox situation is, he did fail to mention Jose Abreu as an asset. Of course he is the one who ripped the White Sox and KW for getting Alex Rios, yet somehow the same Alex Rios is supposedly a huge asset and a big loss when he was injured to KC.

 

 

You're smart enough to figure out that Abreu belongs in the asset category.

 

Must he be listed?...it's like a "given" in a geometry proof. (Maybe I have more NEFARIOUS, Rasputin-like qualities in not including him, even though EVERY reasonable White Sox fan knows he's one of the most important members of the organization going forward.)

 

 

As for the second part, either it wasn't important when the the Royals lost Rios to a broken finger OR former White Sox prospect Paulo Orlando did an admirable job after being developed by their minor league instructors and Rusty Kuntz:

 

Their record on that day (Rios got hurt) was 7-0. They were 22-18 with former White Sox signee Paulo Orlando and Dyson sharing the position. Since Rios returned against the Cubs, they're now 2-5.

 

So they're 4 games over with Rios....and 4 games over with Orlando/Dyson.

Edited June 8, 2015 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

You're smart enough to figure out that Abreu belongs in the asset category.

 

Must he be listed?...it's like a "given" in a geometry proof. (Maybe I have more NEFARIOUS, Rasputin-like qualities in not including him, even though EVERY reasonable White Sox fan knows he's one of the most important members of the organization going forward.)

 

 

As for the second part, either it wasn't important when the the Royals lost Rios to a broken finger OR former White Sox prospect Paulo Orlando did an admirable job after being developed by their minor league instructors and Rusty Kuntz:

 

Their record on that day (Rios got hurt) was 7-0. They were 22-18 with former White Sox signee Paulo Orlando and Dyson sharing the position. Since Rios returned against the Cubs, they're now 2-5.

 

So they're 4 games over with Rios....and 4 games over with Orlando/Dyson.

LMAO.

 

Why in the same post you failed to mention Abreu when ripping the offense, writing there is not one offense player without major flaws, you mentioned Robertson and Sale as pitching assests?

Edited June 8, 2015 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

LMAO.

 

Why in the same post you failed to mention Abreu when ripping the offense, writing there is not one offense player without major flaws, you mentioned Robertson and Sale as pitching assests?

 

Because Abreu isn't a good defensive first baseman...unless you don't consider that a flaw. He's also a well below-average base runner.

 

He's also behind the likes of Adam Lind, Albert Pujols, Lucas Duda and tied with Mitch Moreland in war at that position. But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB.

 

If we don't, then things get really depressing.

Edited June 8, 2015 by caulfield12

[Dick Allen]

Because Abreu isn't a good defensive first baseman...unless you don't consider that a flaw. He's also a well below-average base runner.

 

He's also behind the likes of Adam Lind, Albert Pujols, Lucas Duda and tied with Mitch Moreland in war at that position. But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB.

 

If we don't, then things get really depressing.

Neither is Miguel Cabrera, yet I think every team would take him, just like they would Abreu. If you really think Jose Abreu isn't as good as Adam Lind.........

Edited June 8, 2015 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB.

[Dick Allen]

But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB.

Because his post all star numbers last year:

 

.350/.435/.513 are just tragic. The White Sox are doomed.

[caulfield12]

There's no point in even attempting to have a discussion if it's just arguing to argue.

 

Nobody at SoxTalk believes that the White Sox can compete for a playoff spot unless Abreu's a Top 5-7 hitter in the American League.

 

We can quibble all we want about what impact an 800 OPS Abreu has...while a fall from 972 to 948 in the OPS department last year wasn't remarkable, it led to diminished production because homers were replaced by walks and singles/doubles.

 

If the White Sox had a devastating line-up with 2-3 consistent RBI guys behind Abreu, they might be able to survive the power outage.

 

At any rate, a decline of 150 OPS points with our current line-up isn't tenable in any way, shape or form. Last year, post-ASB, 29 walks and 49 K's in 234 AB's. This year, only 12 walks and 42 K's in roughly the same number of AB's. He's just not as patient as last year, and that's because he's pressing with the rest of the line-up and trying to do too much...coupled with the fact that the league has made adjustments and he has to readjust back again.

Edited June 8, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

 

 

i am going to go totally out of the way in this.....

 

but for god sake RV. go back to the previous lineup.....

[southsider2k5]

Matt Adams ‏@JustDontKnowBro 42m42 minutes ago

 

2012 through 2015:

 

Jon Lester - 110 ERA+; 3.51 FIP

 

Jose Quintana - 112 ERA+; 3.51 FIP

[elrockinMT]

Matt Adams ‏@JustDontKnowBro 42m42 minutes ago

 

2012 through 2015:

 

Jon Lester - 110 ERA+; 3.51 FIP

 

Jose Quintana - 112 ERA+; 3.51 FIP

 

 

Interesting stats. Can we agree that Jose Q is a hardluck pitcher?