reiks12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Amazing what happens to debuting rookies when you don't throw 90 MPH fastballs to them right down the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) So you are saying teams that want to trade for Samardjiza will only look at his ERA and not his advanced numbers? Edited June 3, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 All I heard for years from Hawk was Pudge Rodriquez MLB debut against the Sox ...................now Gallo for the next 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) Bye... watch the door on you backside Where you at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 02:02 AM) Amazing what happens to debuting rookies when you don't throw 90 MPH fastballs to them right down the middle Usually big strong guys who strike out a ton struggle with offspeed pitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jennings no longer deserves a spot on the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) So you're saying they could use a 3 month rental right handed starter.... We can give them back Noesi, lol. It's pretty incredible. They're missing Darvish, Neftali Feliz, Ross Detwiler, Harrison, Holland and Martin Perez, yet a playoff-contending team. The White Sox couldn't even lose one of their top four starters and not be 10-15 games under .500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) Usually big strong guys who strike out a ton struggle with offspeed pitches Better not throw those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:03 PM) All I heard for years from Hawk was Pudge Rodriquez MLB debut against the Sox ...................now Gallo for the next 20 years. Don't forget Delmon Young and Carlos Gomez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:03 PM) So you are saying teams that want to trade for Samardjiza will only look at his ERA and not his advanced numbers? His advanced numbers coming into today were the worst of his career since he became a starter. Frankly his HR rate was actually a bit low coming into today so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) His advanced numbers coming into today were the worst of his career since he became a starter. Frankly his HR rate was actually a bit low coming into today so yeah. So they will just look at the ERA and trade off that. OK. Hahn will just take the draft pick. I just looked it up, his FIP coming in was the best of his career as a starter before tonight except for last season. Now it is the worst, but barely. His k rate is down one a game, switch to AL could explain that. Frankly, maybe this is just what he is. I have never been a fan, but hopefully he could get on a roll like he was on when the Cubs dealt him. Edited June 3, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:09 PM) So they will just look at the ERA and trade off that. OK. Hahn will just take the draft pick. Unless he pitches so terribly that it becomes such a risk to give $15+ million for one year that he actually takes it...waiting for a rebound season so that he can re-establish his value for the big 4-6 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 RS/RA as of this moment. 27. Red Sox -46 28. White Sox -51 29. Brewers -65 30. Phillies -71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) RS/RA as of this moment. 27. Red Sox -46 28. White Sox -51 29. Brewers -65 30. Phillies -71 Wow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) So they will just look at the ERA and trade off that. OK. Hahn will just take the draft pick. And then we can congratulate ourselves on turning 4 upper-level minor leaguers into a $10 million bill, a poor season, and a sandwich pick with a good chance of never making the upper levels of the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Pen doing well again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:12 PM) Unless he pitches so terribly that it becomes such a risk to give $15+ million for one year that he actually takes it...waiting for a rebound season so that he can re-establish his value for the big 4-6 year deal. If they were ready to offer him the moon, I am sure they would take him back for one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) Pen doing well again This. Pen. Is. Nails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:13 PM) RS/RA as of this moment. 27. Red Sox -46 28. White Sox -51 29. Brewers -65 30. Phillies -71 They're the worst team in baseball according to BaseRuns, which is really predictive http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=BaseRuns (sort via W column in the 2015 BaseRuns section) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) And then we can congratulate ourselves on turning 4 upper-level minor leaguers into a $10 million bill, a poor season, and a sandwich pick with a good chance of never making the upper levels of the minors. One of those players whose WAR is higher than the aforementioned Samardzija as a 2nd year player and has at least a 50/50 chance to be a cost-controlled contributor on the middle infield for 4 more seasons (the same exact position where we have the most depth but the least high quality depth in the minors). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) And then we can congratulate ourselves on turning 4 upper-level minor leaguers into a $10 million bill, a poor season, and a sandwich pick with a good chance of never making the upper levels of the minors. With two of those minor leaguers currently putting up wRC+s of 118 and 105 in the majors whilst the guys we kept to play in their positions are at 23 and 47. What an absolutely disastrous trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) This. Pen. Is. Nails. It never fails. As soon as you get too excited about this team, something will smite the White Sox. Joe Morgan. Carlos Quentin's hamate. Shoeless Joe Jackson and 1919. Jared Mitchell's ankle. Pretty much every high draft pick not a pitcher for the last 20 years. The amazing thing is we can't blame this season on poor health or injuries. It would be nice to have some sort of excuse to rationalize what's going on with this team/organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:17 PM) They're the worst team in baseball according to BaseRuns, which is really predictive http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=BaseRuns (sort via W column in the 2015 BaseRuns section) I bet they won't have the first pick in the 2016 draft. Care to wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:19 PM) One of those players whose WAR is higher than the aforementioned Samardzija as a 2nd year player and has at least a 50/50 chance to be a cost-controlled contributor on the middle infield for 4 more seasons (the same exact position where we have the most depth but the least high quality depth in the minors). I was actually pretty light on my preseason prediction of the trade in the Bold Predictions thread: QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Apr 4, 2015 -> 04:58 PM) Tyler Flowers hits under .200 before being replaced by Soto Semien/Bassitt/Phegley/Ravelo produce around the same amount of WAR as Samardzija Abreu has an OBP of over .400 Rodon replaces Danks in the rotation and beats his ERA by over 2 White Sox go under .500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:21 PM) With two of those minor leaguers currently putting up wRC+s of 118 and 105 in the majors whilst the guys we kept to play in their positions are at 23 and 47. What an absolutely disastrous trade. Obviously the A's aren't doing well this season. Trading Donaldson was all about Beane's ego and showing everyone who's really in charge. But Zobrist will eventually be traded and 2-3 years from now the players they acquired will surely be major contributors. Edited June 3, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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