Samardzija Trade Packages

[LDF]

Brett Phillips is a very realistic option since Houston has so much outfield depth. The Yanks Jagielo is certainly worth a look too.

 

yeah, we as fans can wish all we can. but the FO always sees things differently.

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

No matter what, I would wait till the end of July to decide what to do. If they are like 3 games or less behind come July 25th I wouldn't sell.

 

Sale-Shark(if we get the Shark of the last few starts)-Q- Rodon in a series could be really nice.

[BlackSox13]

yeah, we as fans can wish all we can. but the FO always sees things differently.

 

No doubt about it LDF. I see this as just having a discussion since the rumor mill has fired up. The only thing I'm certain on is the trading Samardzija, for what is the interesting part for me. With Samardzija pitching well and going deep into games he should net a return that could help the Sox sooner than what a comp pick in next year's draft would.

 

Imo, sell high while the gettin' is good. Not necessarily now but at some point during July.

[LDF]

No matter what, I would wait till the end of July to decide what to do. If they are like 3 games or less behind come July 25th I wouldn't sell.

 

Sale-Shark(if we get the Shark of the last few starts)-Q- Rodon in a series could be really nice.

 

yeah, i agree and i think that was how this all mess started. many of the sox fans, believed and so did the sports writers.

[LDF]

No doubt about it LDF. I see this as just having a discussion since the rumor mill has fired up. The only thing I'm certain on is the trading Samardzija, for what is the interesting part for me. With Samardzija pitching well and going deep into games he should net a return that could help the Sox sooner than what a comp pick in next year's draft would.

 

Imo, sell high while the gettin' is good. Not necessarily now but at some point during July.

 

i totally agree, but how would anyone know the selling would be better in July than now. that is if the team hasn't decided to go forth, in selling.

[2nd_city_saint787]

yeah, i agree and i think that was how this all mess started. many of the sox fans, believed and so did the sports writers.

 

They've just recently all started clicking. Rodon has only been up for 9 starts and has been starting to look better. Jeff has looked like the pitcher we hoped for the last few starts. Even Sale early on wasn't Sale, nor was Q if I remember correctly.

 

 

[LDF]

They've just recently all started clicking. Rodon has only been up for 9 starts and has been starting to look better. Jeff has looked like the pitcher we hoped for the last few starts. Even Sale early on wasn't Sale, nor was Q if I remember correctly.

yeah, but the pen is the best group the sox have.

 

it is the batters or lack of, in the beginning of the season, that dug the hole.

 

now if you can look at the rest of the positional players, as nice as this team is looking, it has some huge gaping holes, that the org doesn't have a replacement players.

 

but damn, this team could have been fantastic. fvvck the fo for not finishing the job.

[BlackSox13]

i totally agree, but how would anyone know the selling would be better in July than now. that is if the team hasn't decided to go forth, in selling.

Samardzija is emerging as one of the best rental options for contending teams so the Sox have the luxury of the wait and see approach. More teams are lining up with interest in Samardzija so let the bidding begin.

[2nd_city_saint787]

yeah, but the pen is the best group the sox have.

 

it is the batters or lack of, in the beginning of the season, that dug the hole.

 

now if you can look at the rest of the positional players, as nice as this team is looking, it has some huge gaping holes, that the org doesn't have a replacement players.

 

but damn, this team could have been fantastic. fvvck the fo for not finishing the job.

 

I really can't blame the FO all that much. Who knew Lexi would blow, neither 2nd basemen would pan out(yet), the whole OF for the most of the year would underperform. 3b and C are the only positions you can make the argument for them failing to notice upgrade. Catcher around the league suck any way so that's a tough hole to fill.

 

As you just said the pen is a strength too to go along with those 4 SPs. If they ADD a bat they would look like a different team.

[Whisox05]

yeah, but the pen is the best group the sox have.

 

it is the batters or lack of, in the beginning of the season, that dug the hole.

 

now if you can look at the rest of the positional players, as nice as this team is looking, it has some huge gaping holes, that the org doesn't have a replacement players.

 

but damn, this team could have been fantastic. fvvck the fo for not finishing the job.

 

Actually the starting rotation was a huge factor in the first month also with digging the hole they are in. The big three of sale, shark and quintana which was suppose to be the rocks in the rotation were pretty bad in the first month. Sale had a 5.32 era, shark was 4.78 and quintana had a 6.55 in april.

[elrockinMT]

I say try and resign the Shark. Sale-Smard-Rodon-Quintana and whoever in the #5 slot in 2016. Danks may be the trade bait this year.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Imo, sell high while the gettin' is good. Not necessarily now but at some point during July.

 

Same strategy a lot of us wanted to see with Alexei in the off season . Also many here wanted to keep him as I recall . Maybe the team will see the light this time.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I say try and resign the Shark. Sale-Smard-Rodon-Quintana and whoever in the #5 slot in 2016. Danks may be the trade bait this year.

 

Danks is always trade bait. Problem is the fish ain't biting on that smelly hook . Be realistic.

[BlackSox13]

Same strategy a lot of us wanted to see with Alexei in the off season . Also many here wanted to keep him as I recall . Maybe the team will see the light this time.

Exactly. I was on board with trading Alexei last winter but I guess it is what it is for now. With Erik Johnson seemingly ready to rejoin the Sox he would be perfect to replace Samardzija's spot in the rotation and see what Erik has to offer for the rest of the season. I have no problem giving a 25 year old RH starting pitcher a chance to see what he can do.

 

Danks is always trade bait. Problem is the fish ain't biting on that smelly hook . Be realistic.

 

Barring a huge miracle, Danks will be with the Sox through the end of his contract which believe it or not I am at peace with. Danks could serve as a bridge to Fulmer/ Montas when one or both of them are ready.

[Lillian]

Just to reiterate: I want a player who can realistically be expected to fill a hole, at one of our weak positions, next year, not "potentially" sometime in the future.

 

I don't see the harm in trying to sign Jeff, in the off season. In fact, why couldn't the front office explain to him that they would like to bring him back, but they want to have a better team to back him up, next year. If trading him to a contender for the rest of this season, gives him an opportunity to better establish his value, and play for a winning team, why wouldn't he be thrilled with the chance? If he wants to come back to a better Sox team next season, on a long term deal, then he can sign with the Sox, after the season.

Edited July 5, 2015 by Lillian

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Just to reiterate: I want a player who can realistically be expected to fill a hole, at one of our weak positions, next year, not "potentially" sometime in the future.

 

I don't see the harm in trying to sign Jeff, in the off season. In fact, why couldn't the front office explain to him that they would like to bring him back, but they want to have a better team to back him up, next year. If trading him to a contender for the rest of this season, gives him an opportunity to better establish his value, and play for a winning team, why wouldn't he be thrilled with the chance? If he wants to come back to a better Sox team next season, on a long term deal, then he can sign with the Sox, after the season.

 

The problem with that is contenders won't want to hurt the ML roster by creating one hole to fill another. Some teams have a surplus at certain positions but 3rd base and catcher are not strong positions around the league and the Sox probably don't want to give up on Sanchez or Micah just yet unless they can be included in a trade package to get who they target . Right now it's the infield and catcher that are the worst holes but also the hardest to fill and will arguably be the biggest risks in taking on new players.

 

It's also doubtful the Sox will increase the payroll dramatically next year in order to resign Jeff unless they can move more than Jeff before the trade deadline or before Jeff signs with someone else in the winter.

Edited July 5, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Balta1701]

Just to reiterate: I want a player who can realistically be expected to fill a hole, at one of our weak positions, next year, not "potentially" sometime in the future.

 

I don't see the harm in trying to sign Jeff, in the off season. In fact, why couldn't the front office explain to him that they would like to bring him back, but they want to have a better team to back him up, next year. If trading him to a contender for the rest of this season, gives him an opportunity to better establish his value, and play for a winning team, why wouldn't he be thrilled with the chance? If he wants to come back to a better Sox team next season, on a long term deal, then he can sign with the Sox, after the season.

I still don't think the White Sox have the money...but even more generally look at it this way. The White Sox keep drafting starting pitchers with their top picks, they keep trying to develop starting pitchers, their lineup is unbelivably weak and their lineup is by far the biggest flaw with their organization. It would be completely backwards for them to spend money on the starting rotation when their lineup is this crappy. Then again, it was completely backwards for them to have a philosophy of "Let's trade pitching for hitting" and then trade position players for Samardzija anyway.

[Eminor3rd]

I still don't think the White Sox have the money...but even more generally look at it this way. The White Sox keep drafting starting pitchers with their top picks, they keep trying to develop starting pitchers, their lineup is unbelivably weak and their lineup is by far the biggest flaw with their organization. It would be completely backwards for them to spend money on the starting rotation when their lineup is this crappy. Then again, it was completely backwards for them to have a philosophy of "Let's trade pitching for hitting" and then trade position players for Samardzija anyway.

 

I agree. Trade Jeff, let him sign a big FA deal somewhere else. Go into the offseason trying to sign a short-term veteran on a short deal, use money to fill the holes in the lineup.

 

Sale/Quintana/Rodon is a fine top three, you8've got Danks in there at 5 regardless, so go grab a 4 arm and that's fine.

[Balta1701]

I agree. Trade Jeff, let him sign a big FA deal somewhere else. Go into the offseason trying to sign a short-term veteran on a short deal, use money to fill the holes in the lineup.

 

Sale/Quintana/Rodon is a fine top three, you8've got Danks in there at 5 regardless, so go grab a 4 arm and that's fine.

First crack at that? Johnson. Second crack? Beck. 3rd crack? If neither of those guys hold it, Fulmer won't be all that far away. Fourth crack at that? Montas. And then we'll have Adams, whatever pitcher we take with our first round pick in 2016, and who knows who else might step up out of the last couple drafts as well.

 

That's a decent enough list that for a truly rebuilding team they should look at trading out of that top 3 to fill the remaining holes in their organization.

[LDF]

I really can't blame the FO all that much. Who knew Lexi would blow, neither 2nd basemen would pan out(yet), the whole OF for the most of the year would underperform. 3b and C are the only positions you can make the argument for them failing to notice upgrade. Catcher around the league suck any way so that's a tough hole to fill.

 

As you just said the pen is a strength too to go along with those 4 SPs. If they ADD a bat they would look like a different team.

 

but lets look at this way.

 

at the time, the sox had 3 sp's and with hector in as the 4/5 pitcher. which i seriously said the sox needed another sp.

 

the biggest fault the sox had, was assuming on the 2nd baseman were ready. how can they make that assumption.

 

the last one, did you really assume that the catcher position was fixed.

[Lillian]

To clarify: I'm not advocating signing Shark to a long term deal, after the season. My point is simply that if they really wanted him, trading him now doesn't preclude bringing him back. I agree that they should be able to find a 5TH starter somewhere, until one of their prospects is ready. With a season under his belt, Rodon could be ready to fill out the top of the rotation, with Sale and Quintana, so they probably won't need Shark, and they money would probably be better spent elsewhere. But then, this is all pretty obvious, so I'm just clarifying my opinion.

[Eminor3rd]

First crack at that? Johnson. Second crack? Beck. 3rd crack? If neither of those guys hold it, Fulmer won't be all that far away. Fourth crack at that? Montas. And then we'll have Adams, whatever pitcher we take with our first round pick in 2016, and who knows who else might step up out of the last couple drafts as well.

 

That's a decent enough list that for a truly rebuilding team they should look at trading out of that top 3 to fill the remaining holes in their organization.

 

Yeah, that's plan B. But I'd like to see them bring in the Jason Hammel-type guy first to try to make an early season run and second to have a moveable asset at the deadline. If EJ/Beck beats him for the spot, fantastic. And I'm guessing Fulmer won't really be in the mix until a bit later in the season anyway -- perhaps in the vacated spot post-deadline.

[Balta1701]

Yeah, that's plan B. But I'd like to see them bring in the Jason Hammel-type guy first to try to make an early season run and second to have a moveable asset at the deadline. If EJ/Beck beats him for the spot, fantastic. And I'm guessing Fulmer won't really be in the mix until a bit later in the season anyway -- perhaps in the vacated spot post-deadline.

I don't see any reason to expect them to do much different with Fulmer from how they treated Rodon this year.

[Eminor3rd]

I don't see any reason to expect them to do much different with Fulmer from how they treated Rodon this year.

 

If he forces the issue, I expect you're right. But it's not a given that he'll be ready.

[Balta1701]

If he forces the issue, I expect you're right. But it's not a given that he'll be ready.

I really don't think Rodon forced the issue that much, his first start or two at Charlotte weren't that great and he still had stuff to work on like his changeup (same thing that Fulmer might have to work on btw) but they still pushed him up to the big leagues as soon as they got the extra year of rights for him. Barring a complete overhaul of the management and front office and barring injury that's my guess, we see him break in next April/May. For a rebuilding team, that's not bad anyway, may as well get his first year in the bigs done when the rest of the roster is this weak and a few bad starts don't cost us anything.