reiks12 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) More like 5 to 10 years ago now. Ever since they started tanking all they have done is build their farm. Time flies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 11:03 AM) i am talking about players who can fill holes that the sox have. Who can fill holes from the SF side? The only position player I would consider from that team that they might give up is Andrew Susac. And their pitching is average. Houston and the Yankees both have quality offensive prospects that they can offer way more than SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Aside from dumping Danks regardless of record and dumping Soto if we're complete s***, the only move I'd consider is sending Shark to NYY for C Gary Sanchez and 3B Eric Jagielo, maybe a low level P too, if we don't get Sanchez AND Jagielo, no deal, they both can contribute next year if we rush them, Sanchez is a franchise C while Jagielo is a solid 3B with some pop and hits for a high AVG. I'd love to see a a staring 8+DH of Sanchez, Abreu, Johnson, Jagielo, Ramirez, Melky, Eaton, Avi, and LaSuck ASAP, then a long term rotation of Sale, Rodon, Q, Johnson, and Fulmer and a pen' with Putnam, Petricka, Jennings, Duke, Jones, and Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Aside from dumping Danks regardless of record and dumping Soto if we're complete s***, the only move I'd consider is sending Shark to NYY for C Gary Sanchez and 3B Eric Jagielo, maybe a low level P too, if we don't get Sanchez AND Jagielo, no deal, they both can contribute next year if we rush them, Sanchez is a franchise C while Jagielo is a solid 3B with some pop and hits for a high AVG. I'd love to see a a staring 8+DH of Sanchez, Abreu, Johnson, Jagielo, Ramirez, Melky, Eaton, Avi, and LaSuck ASAP, then a long term rotation of Sale, Rodon, Q, Johnson, and Fulmer and a pen' with Putnam, Petricka, Jennings, Duke, Jones, and Robertson We have a guy in the minors who probably will be better than Jagielo. Trey Michaelczewski. Edited July 9, 2015 by SoxPride18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) More like 5 to 10 years ago now. Ever since they started tanking all they have done is build their farm. The edge that tanking provides, farm wise, is give you the one top draft choice (and they've hit on most of those). After the first pick, you are essentially drafting after the best team in baseball. They've been great with a lot of picks and work the slots, $$ and scout and develop really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) The edge that tanking provides, farm wise, is give you the one top draft choice (and they've hit on most of those). After the first pick, you are essentially drafting after the best team in baseball. They've been great with a lot of picks and work the slots, $$ and scout and develop really well. With the notably large exceptions of the 2013 and 2014 first rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) With the notably large exceptions of the 2013 and 2014 first rounds. Can you imagine if they had Bryant, Correa and Rodon on their team right now? Holy s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Say we trade Samardzija, what do you think the chances are he would sign with the Sox in the off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) Say we trade Samardzija, what do you think the chances are he would sign with the Sox in the off season? Probably the same as if the Sox keep him until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Given the way the SP market appears to be shaking out, Shark may have some real value. IMO, Hahn needs to be aggressive and push a Shark deal sooner rather than later. I think being first to market will maximize the return. Only takes a few more sellers to turn this into a buyers market and that could happen between now and the 31st. Would like see a trade shortly after the All-Star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:23 PM) Probably the same as if the Sox keep him until the end of the season. I agree DA...........I think trading him has no effect he was going to be a free agent either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) Regardless if Samardzija is traded, if he continues to pitch well the rest of the season he will get his 4-5 year contract at around 20M per year. That for a starting pitcher that turns 31 years old before ST 2016. Thanks but no thanks. Just my opinion but I have zero interest in an extension with Samardzija. Edited July 9, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) Regardless if Samardzija is traded, if he continues to pitch well the rest of the season he will get his 4-5 year contract at around 20M per year. That for a starting pitcher that turns 31 years old before ST 2016. Thanks but no thanks. Just my opinion but I zero interest in an extension with Samardzija. The other point I keep adding is that his K-rate is way, way down this year. That's another that would make me really hesitant on giving him a long-term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Smarj for corey seager/trout/buxton, the other teams figure out what they get, but we give nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) The other point I keep adding is that his K-rate is way, way down this year. That's another that would make me really hesitant on giving him a long-term deal. Great point Balta, I had forgotten about you mentioning that before. A declining K-rate for a pitcher that pitches roughly half his games at the Cell is not enticing to say the least. Another point I remember you mentioning in the past is how the Sox take on the additional salary with Samardzija's new contract. Trade him for the best package available while the getting is good. Call me crazy but I have no problem with Erik Johnson taking his spot and if need be giving Drabek and or Marin a chance in September to see what they have to offer. I see it this way. Trading Samardzija should help bring back a few young position players and by not signing/extending Samardzija leaves money to help fill holes elsewhere. Even if the Sox stick with Micah at 2B, there are still glaring holes at 3B, SS, and C. IMO, Samardzija's next contract would financially handcuff the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Aside from dumping Danks regardless of record and dumping Soto if we're complete s***, the only move I'd consider is sending Shark to NYY for C Gary Sanchez and 3B Eric Jagielo, maybe a low level P too, if we don't get Sanchez AND Jagielo, no deal, they both can contribute next year if we rush them, Sanchez is a franchise C while Jagielo is a solid 3B with some pop and hits for a high AVG. I'd love to see a a staring 8+DH of Sanchez, Abreu, Johnson, Jagielo, Ramirez, Melky, Eaton, Avi, and LaSuck ASAP, then a long term rotation of Sale, Rodon, Q, Johnson, and Fulmer and a pen' with Putnam, Petricka, Jennings, Duke, Jones, and Robertson Jon, I don't see what is so special about those two Yankee prospects, considering how valuable Shark should be to any contender. Just going by stats, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehugeunit Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Jon, I don't see what is so special about those two Yankee prospects, considering how valuable Shark should be to any contender. Just going by stats, of course. Well Gary Sanchez is only 22 years old and putting up rather great power numbers for his league and park. His defense is getting better too. The only knock on him is his attitude and yeah his defense. He's got a good bat, but he just needs to mature a little more and round out the rough edges on him. I personally as a Yankee fan wouldn't trade him straight up for Samardzija. I'd rather save him for another trade. No offense to Samardzija, but I think see how he would improve the Yankees current pitching. Yeah CC sucks, but he's not going anywhere. Tanaka is healthy for now. Pineda and Nova are better options than him. Eovoli is alright, hes basically replaced AJ Burnett. Good one game, bad the next, but we have Servino in the minors and Warren and Mitchell in the bullpen who could be starters. I'd deal Eric Jagielo off though. He's got some great power and he's an advanced hitter. I think he's generally overrated, while Sanchez is underrated in regards to prospects enthusiasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/sports/blue...in-chicago.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) We have a guy in the minors who probably will be better than Jagielo. Trey Michaelczewski. And I hope you're right on that, love Trey, saw him play in person many times but Jagielo is more MLB-ready, big bat, not sure of him in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 05:06 PM) Jon, I don't see what is so special about those two Yankee prospects, considering how valuable Shark should be to any contender. Just going by stats, of course. Sanchez should be a franchise catcher, got off to a rough start but is absolutely on fire right now, Jagielo is a former first rounder with 9 dingers and batting .284 in AA, I'd pull this trade in an instant, both long term starters for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Was listening to The Score in the morning and the typical names were mentioned for Samardzija, McKinney or Almora. A trade's definitely not going to happen with the Cubs...even though he would be the perfect fit over there. Laughed when they thought Schwarber was a huge overpay for Jose Quintana. Jordan whatever his name is, the host with Bruce Levine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Was listening to The Score in the morning and the typical names were mentioned for Samardzija, McKinney or Almora. A trade's definitely not going to happen with the Cubs...even though he would be the perfect fit over there. Laughed when they thought Schwarber was a huge overpay for Jose Quintana. Jordan whatever his name is, the host with Bruce Levine. It'll make more sense on Monday when they're figuring out how the Cubs were shut out for the first 27 innings of the series. (Quintana of course will go 9 IP, 0 runs, and we'll lose it in the 10th, because Quintana). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) It'll make more sense on Monday when they're figuring out how the Cubs were shut out for the first 27 innings of the series. (Quintana of course will go 9 IP, 0 runs, and we'll lose it in the 10th, because Quintana). Just thought it was hilarious that they just gave Lester an "ace" contract at his age...while Quintana has put up a better WAR than both him and Bumgarner in the regular season since the beginning of 2012. Yet somehow, according to Jordan Belfort on The Score (yes, I know that's not his actual name), Quintana's a 3 and definitely not a 2 on a playoff team. So what does that make Lester? They claim him as their ace, but, until recently....you'd have to go Arrieta, Hammel and then flip a coin between Lester and Hendricks. The Cubs need to worry more about Soler doing an Alexei Ramirez impression offensively, Castro's disappearance and the fact that Russell's going to wear down the final two months physically and mentally. That said, would definitely trade places in the standings with them. Edited July 11, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 There's no match between the Sox and cubs without getting insanely creative. Imo, the only pitcher the SOX will possibly move is Samardzija but the cubs are not willing to part with Schwarber which ends the conversation right there. The cubs have some OF and pitching prospects but the Sox have those as well so its doubtful the Sox would have interest. The cubs have zero leverage in a trade with the Sox. The cubs options are quite simple... 1- give up quality prospects for one of Samardzija, Price or Cueto. 2- trade for some scraps like what the Marlins are reportedly selling. 3- make no trade and hope for the best the rest of the season. Bruce Levine and his merry band of morons need to remember that it's the Sox that have (Samardzija) what some contenders covet and therefore it's the Sox that have all the leverage, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) There's no match between the Sox and cubs without getting insanely creative. Imo, the only pitcher the SOX will possibly move is Samardzija but the cubs are not willing to part with Schwarber which ends the conversation right there. The cubs have some OF and pitching prospects but the Sox have those as well so its doubtful the Sox would have interest. The cubs have zero leverage in a trade with the Sox. The cubs options are quite simple... 1- give up quality prospects for one of Samardzija, Price or Cueto. 2- trade for some scraps like what the Marlins are reportedly selling. 3- make no trade and hope for the best the rest of the season. Bruce Levine and his merry band of morons need to remember that it's the Sox that have (Samardzija) what some contenders covet and therefore it's the Sox that have all the leverage, not the other way around. excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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