BlackSox13 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 What about Michael Feliz in a trade for Samardzija? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I know the Sox develop pitching much better than hitting, and you can never have too much pitching, but at some point they gotta start bringing some hitting in. If I'm trading Shark (or Q) I'm looking for a package built around an advanced bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:15 AM) I know the Sox develop pitching much better than hitting, and you can never have too much pitching, but at some point they gotta start bringing some hitting in. If I'm trading Shark (or Q) I'm looking for a package built around an advanced bat. This is what I think as well. Try to target advanced bats — preferably outfielders, third basemen and NOT catchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) This is what I think as well. Try to target advanced bats — preferably outfielders, third basemen and NOT catchers. NOT catchers supposed to be green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) NOT catchers supposed to be green? I feel like any catcher the sox can acquire will end up as a mediocre major leaguer. While that's definitely an upgrade from the clown show they have now, it's not really a cornerstone that will greatly affect the offense. I'd rather see them get a true impact, middle-of-the-order potential hitter. Wasting resources on a catcher who will be a 7 or 8 place hitter anyway feels like a waste for me, when this organization is lacking in so many other areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) "The Astros, Rosenthal says, are eyeing Samardzija and other pitchers, but the White Sox are not yet ready to sell" I really hope this is posturing, because there is no way in hell they have a shot at the postseason. If I am putting together a package with them, Im trying to nab 2 of Phillips, Reed, and Fisher or seeing if they would move Santana. To say again...the White Sox have a full month before there is actual "pressure building" to sell. They're not anything close to a playoff team, but they've got a month where they can wait for a team to get anxious or for a key pitching injury to occur and thus to have the price go up. The only downside risk to that strategy is Samardzija being the one who gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) This is what I think as well. Try to target advanced bats — preferably outfielders, third basemen and NOT catchers. IMO, if the White Sox are targeting multiple positions, they should target non-advanced bats. Scour the lower levels and don't demand someone who is going to arrive tomorrow. Yes it will delay the "rebuilding" this team needs to do, but that's the only way IMO to come up with multiple long-term big leaguers in a deal such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) For sure. Their top guys are Max Stassi © and Colin Moran (3B). They are both putting up .OPS around .600 though. Moran was a former top 5 pick and Stassi was highly regarded but they've been pretty bad. Moran looks a lot like a Gillaspie offensively by his numbers. What is the attraction there? Is there something there I am missing? Stassi has flashed more power, and plays a premium position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) I feel like any catcher the sox can acquire will end up as a mediocre major leaguer. While that's definitely an upgrade from the clown show they have now, it's not really a cornerstone that will greatly affect the offense. I'd rather see them get a true impact, middle-of-the-order potential hitter. Wasting resources on a catcher who will be a 7 or 8 place hitter anyway feels like a waste for me, when this organization is lacking in so many other areas. Most catchers are mediocre major leaguers. The position is thin at best around MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) IMO, if the White Sox are targeting multiple positions, they should target non-advanced bats. Scour the lower levels and don't demand someone who is going to arrive tomorrow. Yes it will delay the "rebuilding" this team needs to do, but that's the only way IMO to come up with multiple long-term big leaguers in a deal such as this. You trust the teams player development for lower minors hitters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) You trust the teams player development for lower minors hitters? If this team is never going to be able to develop position players, they're doomed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:37 AM) IMO, if the White Sox are targeting multiple positions, they should target non-advanced bats. Scour the lower levels and don't demand someone who is going to arrive tomorrow. Yes it will delay the "rebuilding" this team needs to do, but that's the only way IMO to come up with multiple long-term big leaguers in a deal such as this. With the state of the pitching staff, I think they should be targeting guys who are at the very latest 2 years away. It seems very possible that we could see Sale-Rodon-Q-Fulmer in 2 years if not next year. I wanna see them start adding offensive pieces to go with that potentially dynamic staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) You trust the teams player development for lower minors hitters? You trust this team's player development for guys who arrive in the big leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) You trust this team's player development for guys who arrive in the big leagues? More then the lower minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) If this team is never going to be able to develop position players, they're doomed anyway. Even so, you play to your strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) More then the lower minors. Why? With Semien I can make a case we've had more success bringing people from the minors up to AAA than from AAA to the bigs. Basically, the right strategy would be "multiple players even if they're far away". And if the White Sox's system organization continues to massively fail as they are doing now, it won't matter what they target because they'll fail anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) Even so, you play to your strengths. Doesn't that mean we should trade for pitching only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) Why? With Semien I can make a case we've had more success bringing people from the minors up to AAA than from AAA to the bigs. Basically, the right strategy would be "multiple players even if they're far away". And if the White Sox's system organization continues to massively fail as they are doing now, it won't matter what they target because they'll fail anyway. Semien isn't with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 10:35 AM) To say again...the White Sox have a full month before there is actual "pressure building" to sell. They're not anything close to a playoff team, but they've got a month where they can wait for a team to get anxious or for a key pitching injury to occur and thus to have the price go up. The only downside risk to that strategy is Samardzija being the one who gets hurt. See Jesse Crain or Gavin Floyd in recent seasons....Bobby Jenks, Joe Crede, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) Semien isn't with the White Sox. Exactly. We developed him effectively up to the AAA level and then a better organization was able to have him take bigger steps on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) Exactly. We developed him effectively up to the AAA level and then a better organization was able to have him take bigger steps on offense. And apparently turn him into MLBs worst SS defensively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) Exactly. We developed him effectively up to the AAA level and then a better organization was able to have him take bigger steps on offense. I don't know if I can give the A's credit to help him take bigger steps on offense. He spent all of an off-season with the A's. I think in this case, the credit belongs to Semien (Sox should also get credit cause he was a generally good find and is a very solid baseball player). He's in way over his head at SS though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Semien isn't with the White Sox. Of course, you can argue the "aggressive promotion strategy/push them to the point where they need to turn to the coaching staff for assistance when disaster occurs" hasn't exactly been the best one... See Brian Anderson, Beckham, Courtney Hawkins, Walker, T. Thompson, Semien, Micah Johnson, Chris Getz, Brandon Allen, Jordan Danks, Phegley, Josh Fields, John Shelby, Jr., etc. Edited June 25, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) And apparently turn him into MLBs worst SS defensively? Better than we got out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Can't a lot of Semien's progress just be chalked up to a young guy getting better with reps? I don't think you need him as an example of "the Sox can't develop such and such," there are plenty of better ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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