GreatScott82 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) Thank you for the stats. I now believe Robin SHOULD not be fired. This team has overachieved (win wise) big time considering how rotten it is. Who should be held accountable in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 It's a managers job to get the most out of their employees, regardless of industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 04:51 AM) Who should be held accountable in your opinion? Unfortunately KW and Hahn. They brought these lousy players to town. Those stats are amazing and appalling. I don't know how we've won 33 percent of our games. QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:05 AM) It's a managers job to get the most out of their employees, regardless of industry. True, but no hitter wants to stink. So I would assume the hitters are trying and just don't have the ability which falls on KW and Hahn. For instance the Melky signing was totally avoidable. That's just money flushed away. The Robertson signing was great. But again, the LaRoche money was flushed down the drain. And Soto and Boni ... the list goes on. I like Hahn when I hear him speak so I'm willing to give him a do-over. I wish he'd pull the trigger and start trading like mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:46 AM) Unfortunately KW and Hahn. They brought these lousy players to town. Those stats are amazing and appalling. I don't know how we've won 33 percent of our games. True, but no hitter wants to stink. So I would assume the hitters are trying and just don't have the ability which falls on KW and Hahn. For instance the Melky signing was totally avoidable. That's just money flushed away. The Robertson signing was great. But again, the LaRoche money was flushed down the drain. And Soto and Boni ... the list goes on. I like Hahn when I hear him speak so I'm willing to give him a do-over. I wish he'd pull the trigger and start trading like mad. greg, you did an outstanding job in accumulating those facts. but 2 things, 1. there has to be a reason on why they started like this, 2. i am saying started, b/c look at the last month to month stats and see how the hitters has performed. and yet see who hasn't done or turned it around. i still blame a lot on RV, there were some really bad coaching decision that he made. i said this before, this team looks as it doesn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Kinda think it's funny when it comes to the white sox offense people are trying to blame everyone else expect for the coaches that actually needs to be blamed and probably should have been the first canned and hasnt. Let's blame robin for the players not hitting instead of the 2 hitting coaches the sox have. Let's blame kw and Hahn for the players not hitting instead of the 2 hitting coaches the sox have. The sox have 2 hitting coaches peeps and they can't seem to get the hitters to hit. I think that's the first line of blame to go then trying to peg your manager which is not his job to teach hitters how to hit. Most of the guys that are on the team were hitting better last year here or some place else and this year most are horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/07/06/mlb-trade...mors-news-deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Ben Nicholson-Smith @bnicholsonsmith 27m27 minutes ago Jeff Samardzija being "strongly pursued" by #BlueJays, @BNightengale writes. Wonder what we could get out of the Blue Jays. I think they could overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) Ben Nicholson-Smith @bnicholsonsmith 27m27 minutes ago Jeff Samardzija being "strongly pursued" by #BlueJays, @BNightengale writes. Wonder what we could get out of the Blue Jays. I think they could overpay. I'd like a package headlined by Hoffman or Pentecost and maybe also Devon Travis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 11:12 AM) I'd like a package headlined by Hoffman or Pentecost and maybe also Devon Travis. Samardzija and Beckham for Travis, Reid-Foley, and Pentecost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:20 PM) Samardzija and Beckham for Travis, Reid-Foley, and Pentecost pentecost and with his 2 shoulder surgery on the same shoulder in 2 yrs. i am really apprehension is dealing for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 5, 2015 -> 10:46 PM) Unfortunately KW and Hahn. They brought these lousy players to town. Those stats are amazing and appalling. I don't know how we've won 33 percent of our games. True, but no hitter wants to stink. So I would assume the hitters are trying and just don't have the ability which falls on KW and Hahn. For instance the Melky signing was totally avoidable. That's just money flushed away. The Robertson signing was great. But again, the LaRoche money was flushed down the drain. And Soto and Boni ... the list goes on. I like Hahn when I hear him speak so I'm willing to give him a do-over. I wish he'd pull the trigger and start trading like mad. Um Greg you know that little column next to the Win and Loss column that says PCT ? It's winning percentage and the Sox are .456 which means 45.6 per cent of the games we've played we've won . Minor point, just thought I'd let you know it's not 33 %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 04:23 AM) greg, you did an outstanding job in accumulating those facts. Do you see gregs name at the top of that post with the stats? Edited July 6, 2015 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 05:02 AM) Kinda think it's funny when it comes to the white sox offense people are trying to blame everyone else expect for the coaches that actually needs to be blamed and probably should have been the first canned and hasnt. Let's blame robin for the players not hitting instead of the 2 hitting coaches the sox have. Let's blame kw and Hahn for the players not hitting instead of the 2 hitting coaches the sox have. The sox have 2 hitting coaches peeps and they can't seem to get the hitters to hit. I think that's the first line of blame to go then trying to peg your manager which is not his job to teach hitters how to hit. Most of the guys that are on the team were hitting better last year here or some place else and this year most are horrible. perhaps you didn't hear - Kenny Williams says that Steverson "does a great job" of getting hitters ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I wonder if we can somehow get Norris from the Jays. I don't care if he is a lefty. Get all of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Imo, as long as Samardzija continues to pitch well another team with better prospects to offer will be calling the Sox FO. Toronto can keep their prospects. Patience Sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 11:04 AM) Imo, as long as Samardzija continues to pitch well another team with better prospects to offer will be calling the Sox FO. Toronto can keep their prospects. Patience Sox fans. Unfortunately the more time that goes by the less starts Jeff can make for his new team. Maybe that makes a difference in the package offered, maybe not. But the more time that goes by the bigger the risk, Shark pitches bad or gets injured ala Jesse Crain . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) Unfortunately the more time that goes by the less starts Jeff can make for his new team. Maybe that makes a difference in the package offered, maybe not. But the more time that goes by the bigger the risk, Shark pitches bad or gets injured ala Jesse Crain . I'm not impressed with anything Toronto has to offer and there will be other teams interested in Samardzija so I see no problem with waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I know next to nothing about other teams prospects, outside of the names of Hoffman and Pencost. I did notice a couple of SS's on their top prospects list from BA. Anyone I should want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) Do you see gregs name at the top of that post with the stats? oops.... it is a shiite, as the irish would say, when typing with 1 finger while drinking with the other hand.... ah laddy, yesterday was a whew day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) So with well reported potential trades, team's fans are usually on opposite end of the spectrum. Here are proposed trades from Blue Jays fans. Shark and LaRoche for Collabello, Pompey and Pentecost. Pompey is #25 on BP's midseason list. Collabello seems like a AAAA player except that he's having an excellent year. Honestly that doesn't seem that bad, esp. as some were satisfied with Shark-Pentecost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Not really. I am sure the Jays would ask the world for Urena and he's far off. He's got a lot of power and projects to be able to stick at SS. Daniel Lugo is struggling and is a murderer!!! Bring me Jeff Hoffman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) I can't believe Pompey still ranks that high. He's had a tough season. Stock is certainly down. Blue Jays FO loves him. We know the Sox FO does too but I don't think they could get him for a rental. No most likely not. That's what I'd ask initially though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I'm not impressed with anything Toronto has to offer and there will be other teams interested in Samardzija so I see no problem with waiting. Oh I wasn't saying take what Toronto has to offer now just trade him relatively quickly ify ou've had offers from 5 teams or so and you can play them against each other. Give it another 2 starts max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) I can't believe Pompey still ranks that high. He's had a tough season. Stock is certainly down. Blue Jays FO loves him. We know the Sox FO does too but I don't think they could get him for a rental. Ahh but he's more than a rental . He represents the hopes and dreams of teams to win a World Series potentially being realized. Sox gave up 3 players ML ready players for him hopefully can get 1 ML ready player and 2 more low minors guys or 2 and 1 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 6, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) Oh I wasn't saying take what Toronto has to offer now just trade him relatively quickly ify ou've had offers from 5 teams or so and you can play them against each other. Give it another 2 starts max. Oh OK. Gotcha. Just my opinion but the Yankees and Dodgers make the most sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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