Samardzija Trade Packages

[ChiSox59]

Hoffman for Samardzija makes a lot of sense for both sides. Hoffman isn't a can't miss prospect, but the Sox loved him in the draft and he still has the potential to be a #4-#5 starter in a year or so and could eventually reach his #2 starter potential again. His numbers are starting to improve, as he has 14 K's in his last 15.2 IP with 4 BB's and only 3 ER.

 

Sox need hitting. I wouldn't mind taking back a pitcher, but the Sox excel at developing pitching. They should trade for offensive players!

[Eminor3rd]

Sox need hitting. I wouldn't mind taking back a pitcher, but the Sox excel at developing pitching. They should trade for offensive players!

 

Dude if the Jays offer Hoffman, we should either accept before we get off the phone or hang up immediately and asssume something's wrong with him. Reports on Hoffman since he's come back have been nothing short of glowing -- he's almost definitely the top prospect in that system.

[BlackSox13]

The Yankees won't trade Judge for a rental. He's going to make that porch in RF his b**** for years to come.

Where can the Yankees fit Judge into the lineup? Their OF, 1B and DH is rather crowded for the next few years.

[fathom]

Dude if the Jays offer Hoffman, we should either accept before we get off the phone or hang up immediately and asssume something's wrong with him. Reports on Hoffman since he's come back have been nothing short of glowing -- he's almost definitely the top prospect in that system.

 

Every expert also seemed to indicate that the Sox liked Hoffman more than Rodon prior to the injury last year.

Edited July 8, 2015 by fathom

[ChiSox59]

Dude if the Jays offer Hoffman, we should either accept before we get off the phone or hang up immediately and asssume something's wrong with him. Reports on Hoffman since he's come back have been nothing short of glowing -- he's almost definitely the top prospect in that system.

 

Dude, I am not saying I don't want Hoffman, you take the best player available, but my point is that the Sox should be targeting guys that can help on the offensive side. Our pitching rotation is in pretty good shape now and looking forward.

[harfman77]

Because Sano is the future at the position

 

Maybe the future DH, I believe his defense is still pretty weak.

[Eminor3rd]

Dude, I am not saying I don't want Hoffman, you take the best player available, but my point is that the Sox should be targeting guys that can help on the offensive side. Our pitching rotation is in pretty good shape now and looking forward.

 

I'm not sure I agree. I mean, I do agree that they need offense MORE than they need pitching, but the system is exactly loaded with surefire pitching prospects.

 

1. Sale

2. Quintana

3. Rodon

4. ???

5. ???

 

Going forward, you have Fulmer who you feel really good about. Spencer Adams who you feel pretty good about, but it much more of a crapshoot. Erik Johnson is gravy at this point. Montas is still more likely a reliever than a starter. Next on that depth chart is Scott Carroll? JP Wendelken at some point?

 

I don't know, I think we could really use Hoffman. We certainly don't have anything close to the depth to start looking away from pitching prospects when they're the best players offered,

[harfman77]

Billy Beane did it when he gave up Cepedes to get Lester.

 

Yes and the team collapsed down the stretch and all the pundits pointed at that move as huge reason why. MLBTR says AA will deal from the ML roster though.

 

If thats the case, I can see a deal with Navarro coming back in some sort of package for Shark.

[Dunt]

I'm not sure I agree. I mean, I do agree that they need offense MORE than they need pitching, but the system is exactly loaded with surefire pitching prospects.

 

1. Sale

2. Quintana

3. Rodon

4. ???

5. ???

 

Going forward, you have Fulmer who you feel really good about. Spencer Adams who you feel pretty good about, but it much more of a crapshoot. Erik Johnson is gravy at this point. Montas is still more likely a reliever than a starter. Next on that depth chart is Scott Carroll? JP Wendelken at some point?

 

I don't know, I think we could really use Hoffman. We certainly don't have anything close to the depth to start looking away from pitching prospects when they're the best players offered,

 

Seems that they envision Wendelken as a full-time reliever at this point. He's been in relief all season and exceling at it.

[fathom]

Yes and the team collapsed down the stretch and all the pundits pointed at that move as huge reason why. MLBTR says AA will deal from the ML roster though.

 

If thats the case, I can see a deal with Navarro coming back in some sort of package for Shark.

 

Why would Navarro be of interest to the Sox this season? No reason to dilute the Samardzija package by having him be a piece.

[Dunt]

Yes and the team collapsed down the stretch and all the pundits pointed at that move as huge reason why. MLBTR says AA will deal from the ML roster though.

 

If thats the case, I can see a deal with Navarro coming back in some sort of package for Shark.

 

Navarro is a FA after this season, that trade would be stupid.

[fathom]

If the Sox could get Daniel Norris straight up for Samardzija, I would be cool with that. He's one of the top pitching prospects in the majors (and close to being big league ready). I still love the idea of trading for Stroman, but I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.

[GGajewski18]

The Yankees won't trade Judge for a rental. He's going to make that porch in RF his b**** for years to come.

 

Not when they sign Harper in a few years.

 

If the Sox could get Daniel Norris straight up for Samardzija, I would be cool with that. He's one of the top pitching prospects in the majors (and close to being big league ready). I still love the idea of trading for Stroman, but I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.

 

I'd love Norris as well. I don't see them trading Stroman.

[GreatScott82]

I would like to get a future every day position player for Shark, but wouldn't be upset if they acquired a top pitching prospect as well. At this point, anything can happen.

[OmarComing25]

At this point I'd be happy to get someone with a solid chance to be an everyday contributor. We have too many below-average players on the team, some league-average guys would be a huge improvement.

Edited July 8, 2015 by OmarComing25

[GGajewski18]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue...nthopoulos.html

 

Stroman would be ideal, but I'd love Castro, Pentecost, Hoffman, Pompey, or Norris.

 

Pretty interesting.

[Chisoxfn]

Do you two really believe the Blue Jays' FO is fickle enough to become more interested in Shark because of one start against their own team?

 

 

Yes. Realism.

To be honest, I do believe a start against your own team can actually drive you to be more interested in a player. It is a fickle business and everyone knows about what Jeff did last year (very strong season, including down the stretch with the A's). Now they know he had his early struggles but a FO could look at the recent splits and see how he has trended upward and then more guys get to watch the start against the team (just more top brass on hand) who can see the "stuff" and what he was capable of doing against what they know is one of the premiere offenses in baseball.

 

So yes, it has impacts. Inherent one is more top people get recent eyes on a guy against a really good talent base. How much of an impact, I wouldn't quantify it as significant but I would still say it has a positive effect.

[Chisoxfn]

That's a good value for Samardzija. CBS Sports baseball guru Jon Heyman has suggested Jeff Hoffman or Max Pentecost (#3 and #4, respectively, on the MLB.com Blue Jays top prospect list) as the centerpiece for a Chicago-Toronto trade.

 

Hoffman has 9 starts at high-A Dunedin this season since coming off Tommy John surgery. Here's his stat line.

 

Pentecost had his shoulder cleaned out last fall by Dr. James Andrews (his second shoulder surgery). He hasn't played since. His bat showed promise in his first season of pro ball: the stat line for Pentecost.

Heyman must have read my post.

[Chisoxfn]

I've been flipping through the mlb pipeline website for prospects among the contending teams in the #3 to #5 range, and boy is it slim pickings.

 

The Yankees top 5 prospects:

#1 Luis Severino, an undersized 2-pitch pitcher

#2 Aaron Judge, a 6'7" RF who has a lot of power with a lot of swing and miss

#3 Jorge Mateo, a 20 year old shortstop in the Sally League who may have to move off short because of a weak arm

#4 Greg Bird, a defensively challenged first baseman

#5 Robert Refsnyder, a defensively challenged second baseman

 

How about Houston:

#1 Carlos Correa, SS, he's not going anywhere

#2 Mark Appel, RHP, he's not going anywhere

#3 Domingo Santana, he's a .300 hitting outfielder with some swing and miss problems

#4 Vincent Velazquez, RHP, he's not going anywhere

#5 Michael Feliz, RHP, I doubt that he's going anywhere

 

The Dodgers (say it like Vin Scully):

#1 Corey Seager, SS, will not be traded in a Samardzija deal

#2 Julio Urias, LHP, probably will not be traded in a Samardzija deal

#3 Grant Holmes, RHP, pitching in the Midwest League

#4 Jose DeLeon, RHP, pitching at AA Tulsa, intriguing, fastball-slider-change. He's been a wee bit tateriffic since his promotion

#5 Alex Verdugo, OF, playing in the Midwest League

 

Three contenders, one intriguing prospect. That's not to say that Corey Seager isn't intriguing, but he won't be coming over in a trade for Samardzija.

 

Toronto is looking like a good trading partner for the Shark.

Urias would be intriguing and the Dodgers have other guys as well. I don't think they would give him up but I'd trade Jeff for Urias in a heart beat. Mega upside out of that kid (same time that is why Dodgers won't).

[Balta1701]

To be honest, I do believe a start against your own team can actually drive you to be more interested in a player. It is a fickle business and everyone knows about what Jeff did last year (very strong season, including down the stretch with the A's). Now they know he had his early struggles but a FO could look at the recent splits and see how he has trended upward and then more guys get to watch the start against the team (just more top brass on hand) who can see the "stuff" and what he was capable of doing against what they know is one of the premiere offenses in baseball.

 

So yes, it has impacts. Inherent one is more top people get recent eyes on a guy against a really good talent base. How much of an impact, I wouldn't quantify it as significant but I would still say it has a positive effect.

I'm pretty sure the White Sox wound up with Javy Vazquez because of one start in 2003.

[Chisoxfn]

Yes and the team collapsed down the stretch and all the pundits pointed at that move as huge reason why. MLBTR says AA will deal from the ML roster though.

 

If thats the case, I can see a deal with Navarro coming back in some sort of package for Shark.

I never said the move worked. You said people don't do it and I gave you a direct recent example where it happened. White Sox and Yankees did it when they swapped Contreras for Loaiza. Sox were still at the time (attempting to contend), although they were also looking to get a guy they thought had more long-term upside and could be here in another year.

[OmarComing25]

Urias is the #3 prospect in baseball, c'mon, you'd be lucky to get him if you offered Quintana.

[Chisoxfn]

Urias is the #3 prospect in baseball, c'mon, you'd be lucky to get him if you offered Quintana.

I've long said Q to the Dodgers would make a lot of sense. I'd even do something like Q and Shark to the Dodgers for Urias, Puig and 2 more prospects. Not sure if Dodgers would but that would significantly bolster their rotation this year and give them flexibility long term (which they want a long-term starter who is under contract...i.e., Q).

 

Also, please note, I do not think the Dodgers would trade Urias for Shark. I absolutely love Urias.

[ChiSox59]

Urias is the #3 prospect in baseball, c'mon, you'd be lucky to get him if you offered Quintana.

 

I'd rather have the proven LHP who is locked up longterm on a team friendly deal if a 1-1 swap.

[BlackSox13]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/blue...nthopoulos.html

 

Stroman would be ideal, but I'd love Castro, Pentecost, Hoffman, Pompey, or Norris.

 

Pretty interesting.

Stroman is a pitcher I would be all over. With Toronto having Hoffman developing in the minors and Norris knocking on the MLB door they might be be persuaded to deal Stroman. Stroman's repertoire makes him a solid GB/K pitcher which would be great for the Cell. A 2016 rotation of Sale, Q, Stroman and Rodon sounds pretty damn good to me. That leaves Danks at #5 to hold the fort until one of Fulmer, Montas, E.Johnson are ready.

 

If Toronto was willing to deal Stroman I'd guess it would take more than Samardzija.

 

Interesting idea though.