Samardzija Trade Packages

[SCCWS]

Posted this in another thread, but once Shark and maybe a few bench pieces are moved, I think both Johnsons will be up.

my predictions:

 

Shark traded for prospect(s); E. Johnson comes up

Beckham, Soto, Bonifacio traded for PTBNL or cash (this month or next through waivers); replaced by Micah who takes over at second (or Sanchez sent down in favor of more versatile L. Garcia), Kottaras who comes up to be backup C, and Davidson to platoon or get a good long look at at third.

 

Possible but unlikely:

LaRoche to Cards or Angels for prospect(s); Gillaspie, Garcia, Melky, Abreu then get at bats between (DH/1B/OF) with Thompson coming up to play left/right.

 

I don't consider this "dismantling" the team like Hahn and KW said they wouldn't do.

 

Things could change over the next few weeks. Davidson and especially Thompson are struggling the last few weeks so I think they will not come up until the fall. Johnson is pretty hot so I could see him come back. Kotteras has stuggled( .215 avg) at the majors his whole career. I could see Erik Johnson up to replace Shark. Teams rarely bring up struggling players from the minors although White Sox did w Sanchez and we see the results.

 

[OmarComing25]

Things could change over the next few weeks. Davidson and especially Thompson are struggling the last few weeks so I think they will not come up until the fall. Johnson is pretty hot so I could see him come back. Kotteras has stuggled( .215 avg) at the majors his whole career. I could see Erik Johnson up to replace Shark. Teams rarely bring up struggling players from the minors although White Sox did w Sanchez and we see the results.

Sanchez had cooled off a bit but he was hitting .344 at the time of his call-up, not exactly what I would call struggling.

[Feeky Magee]

Things could change over the next few weeks. Davidson and especially Thompson are struggling the last few weeks so I think they will not come up until the fall. Johnson is pretty hot so I could see him come back. Kotteras has stuggled( .215 avg) at the majors his whole career. I could see Erik Johnson up to replace Shark. Teams rarely bring up struggling players from the minors although White Sox did w Sanchez and we see the results.

Kottaras is exactly a major league average hitter for his career, .215/.326/.411, 100 wRC+.

[Buehrlesque]

An elite arm like Stroman, Norris, Hoffman, Severino or Urias would be un-pass-up-able.

 

Otherwise, the Sox just set an ALL-TIME team record for home offensive futility, have no significant help coming from the farm, and are faced with a meh free agent class this winter. Getting a significant bat via trade has to be a priority.

[GreatScott82]

An elite arm like Stroman, Norris, Hoffman, Severino or Urias would be un-pass-up-able.

 

Otherwise, the Sox just set an ALL-TIME team record for home offensive futility, have no significant help coming from the farm, and are faced with a meh free agent class this winter. Getting a significant bat via trade has to be a priority.

And this is why we might not only see Shark traded at the deadline, but Quintana as well. I hate to see Q go, but position wise, this team has way to many holes to even consider competing for a division next year. Lets say they leave the OF alone for 2016; which is reasonable, they still would need to be upgraded at 3b, C, SS and 2B BADLY. With the lack of farm depth at all of those positions, trading a cost controlled #2/3 starter might be just what the doctor ordered at this point of time.

[soxfan85]

And this is why we might not only see Shark traded at the deadline, but Quintana as well. I hate to see Q go, but position wise, this team has way to many holes to even consider competing for a division next year. Lets say they leave the OF alone for 2016; which is reasonable, they still would need to be upgraded at 3b, C, SS and 2B BADLY. With the lack of farm depth at all of those positions, trading a cost controlled #2/3 starter might be just what the doctor ordered at this point of time.

 

Really? As if trading Shark and not re-signing him for next year wouldn't weaken our pitching staff enough? Let's face it, this team is not as deep as we think in regards to pitching. Even if we trade Shark this year and don't re-sign him (which we definitely won't be able to if we make him pack his bags again and trade him), who the heck do we have in the minors that can take his place...Fulmer? The jury is still out on that one, he is young and unproven. I look for him to eventually replace Danks next year. Additionally, who the heck is going to trade a BIG BAT for a rental like Shark?...nobody. We are not going to get a starting C, 3b, SS, or 2B for Shark. Maybe for Q and Shark, but then your rotation is just plain bad. Major League ready starting pitching is our position of strength. Keep it intact.

 

If we even had "serviceable" players at 3b, C, SS, and 2B this season, we would be above .500 and in the race. The players we have in those positions now are just plain bad and would be back-ups on other teams.

 

Show Shark some respect, don't make him pack his bags again and trade him. Re-sign him. Drop Ramirez and don't pick-up his $10M option. And go get a couple of "serviceable" Free Agents this winter to at least fill a couple of those positions. Ideally 3B and Catcher. It still believe with some seasoning that Micah Johnson can add some spark to this offense.

 

And as far as money is concerned, the White Sox always tend to surprise. Jerry will open his wallet for a winner.

Edited July 8, 2015 by soxfan85

[GreatScott82]

Really? As if trading Shark and not re-signing him for next year wouldn't weaken our pitching staff enough? Let's face it, this team is not as deep as we think in regards to pitching. Even if we trade Shark this year and don't re-sign him (which we definitely won't be able to if we make him pack his bags again and trade him), who the heck do we have in the minors that can take his place...Fulmer? The jury is still out on that one, he is young and unproven. I look for him to eventually replace Danks next year. Additionally, who the heck is going to trade a BIG BAT for a rental like Shark?...nobody. We are not going to get a starting C, 3b, SS, or 2B for Shark. Maybe for Q and Shark, but then your rotation is just plain bad. Major League ready starting pitching is our position of strength. Keep it in tact.

 

If we even had "serviceable" players at 3b, C, SS, and 2B this season, we would be above .500 and in the race. The players we have in those positions now are just plain bad and would be back-ups on other teams.

 

Show Shark some respect, don't make him pack his bags again and trade him. Re-sign him. Drop Ramirez and don't pick-up his $10M option. And go get a couple of "serviceable" Free Agents this winter to at least fill a couple of those positions. Ideally 3B and Catcher. It still believe with some seasoning that Micah Johnson can add some spark to this offense.

 

And as far as money is concerned, the White Sox always tend to surprise. Jerry will open his wallet for a winner.

Have you looked at the free agent class yet? Not to mention the White Sox tried to patch things up in free agency this winter and it failed. I HIGHLY doubt they try this route a 2nd year in a row. Listen, I respect Shark and believe he will get a nice contract this winter, but not with the White Sox. When you have 10 teams interested in a guy and your team has a 0% chance if competing for the playoffs, you can't be ignorant, you trade him to a contender and bring back prospects.

 

In regards to Quintana, you can get A LOT for him. When your team has a weak farm system position wise, you have to explore trading from a strength which is the starting pitching.

 

As for your concerns with the rotation in 2016 goes, if i'm right and both Shark and Q are traded, you will likely get an arm back in such a deal AND it appears as if Erik Johnson may have found his way again which is encouraging. Montas and Fulmer should be ready by 2017 just in time for Danks to leave after the 2016 season.

 

I hate to bring this up, but the White Sox will not be contenders in 2016. They need to build a new infield, obtain a catcher and hope for Eaton and Garcia to continue to grow.

I can see them being competitive in 2017 if Hahn plays his cards right. Its hard to be patient with this horrible offensive/defensive team but at this point, we have no choice.

[flavum]

Have you looked at the free agent class yet? Not to mention the White Sox tried to patch things up in free agency this winter and it failed. I HIGHLY doubt they try this route a 2nd year in a row. Listen, I respect Shark and believe he will get a nice contract this winter, but not with the White Sox. When you have 10 teams interested in a guy and your team has a 0% chance if competing for the playoffs, you can't be ignorant, you trade him to a contender and bring back prospects.

 

In regards to Quintana, you can get A LOT for him. When your team has a weak farm system position wise, you have to explore trading from a strength which is the starting pitching.

 

As for your concerns with the rotation in 2016 goes, if i'm right and both Shark and Q are traded, you will likely get an arm back in such a deal AND it appears as if Erik Johnson may have found his way again which is encouraging. Montas and Fulmer should be ready by 2017 just in time for Danks to leave after the 2016 season.

 

I hate to bring this up, but the White Sox will not be contenders in 2016. They need to build a new infield, obtain a catcher and hope for Eaton and Garcia to continue to grow.

I can see them being competitive in 2017 if Hahn plays his cards right. Its hard to be patient with this horrible offensive/defensive team but at this point, we have no choice.

 

Great Scott. Great post.

 

Some real talk is appreciated.

[OmarComing25]

We have the league's worst offense and defense. However, at least the bats have a chance (even if small) to rebound even to a small degree, because some of our players have at least shown to be capable of that in the past. On the other hand, the defense with this crew is unlikely to improve, and none of the small handful of position player prospects we have on the farm are plus defensively either. How are we going to fix the defense?

[fathom]

We have the league's worst offense and defense. However, at least the bats have a chance (even if small) to rebound even to a small degree, because some of our players have at least shown to be capable of that in the past. On the other hand, the defense with this crew is unlikely to improve, and none of the small handful of position player prospects we have on the farm are plus defensively either. How are we going to fix the defense?

 

Trade Avi or make him the DH. Avi is down to 159th out of 164 in terms of WAR, and showing no signs of improvement. Most of his hits of late have been bloopers. Eaton's defense should improve as the season goes on, but Avi's never even had a stretch of solid defense.

Edited July 8, 2015 by fathom

[flavum]

Trade Avi or make him the DH. Avi is down to 159th out of 164 in terms of WAR, and showing no signs of improvement. Most of his hits of late have been bloopers.

 

I'm fully on board with dropping Garcia like a bad habit, but I would probably give the new coaching staff (yes, new coaching staff) a crack at him in 2016 when the Sox clearly won't be contending.

 

It's one of those things where you know where it's headed, but you have to give it every chance to succeed.

[fathom]

I'm fully on board with dropping Garcia like a bad habit, but I would probably give the new coaching staff (yes, new coaching staff) a crack at him in 2016 when the Sox clearly won't be contending.

 

It's one of those things where you know where it's headed, but you have to give it every chance to succeed.

 

I would be content with that as well. He has terrible mechanics at the plate, and when you add the bad pitch recognition, you have the ingredients for a mediocre hitter.

[chitownsportsfan]

Good posts. I'm all for trading Q and Jeff. Get some position players.

[chitownsportsfan]

I would be content with that as well. He has terrible mechanics at the plate, and when you add the bad pitch recognition, you have the ingredients for a mediocre hitter.

 

If Justin Smoak can turn it around...

 

Not saying Avi ever will but he's cheap and they have nobody else to replace him so you have nothing to lose by letting him try and click with a new staff.

[Buehrlesque]

Good posts. I'm all for trading Q and Jeff. Get some position players.

I'll admit the bar is a little lower with Samardzija, since the opportunity cost is a few months of starts for a last place team and a comp. pick when he leaves as a FA. But with Quintana, you better be getting a freaking HAUL! Trading Quintana for pitching prospects, no matter how good, doesn't make any sense at all to me.

[Knackattack]

I would be content with that as well. He has terrible mechanics at the plate, and when you add the bad pitch recognition, you have the ingredients for a mediocre hitter.

If we could find a taker for LaRoche, find a good defensive RF and let Melky/Avi split LF and DH I feel like he could be useful. The s***ty at bats combined with the defensive liability really screws him for us in my opinion. He definitely could have some decent power if he could stop swinging at everything a foot off the plate.

[Chisoxfn]

Trade Avi or make him the DH. Avi is down to 159th out of 164 in terms of WAR, and showing no signs of improvement. Most of his hits of late have been bloopers. Eaton's defense should improve as the season goes on, but Avi's never even had a stretch of solid defense.

How does making him DH help? I agree that AVI's defense is a huge negative and a reason why he'll probably never amount to that much, but I don't know that his bat plays at DH either. That said, if their is a taker for LaRoche and it provides freedom to see if Avi can play at DH and allow us to upgrade outfield defense, I'm okay with it.

[GreatScott82]

I'll admit the bar is a little lower with Samardzija, since the opportunity cost is a few months of starts for a last place team and a comp. pick when he leaves as a FA. But with Quintana, you better be getting a freaking HAUL! Trading Quintana for pitching prospects, no matter how good, doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Indeed. The whole point of trading Quintana would be to obtain a package centered around a team's top position player prospect(s). This team needs depth at just about every position on that field.

[fathom]

How does making him DH help? I agree that AVI's defense is a huge negative and a reason why he'll probably never amount to that much, but I don't know that his bat plays at DH either. That said, if their is a taker for LaRoche and it provides freedom to see if Avi can play at DH and allow us to upgrade outfield defense, I'm okay with it.

 

I think there's a better chance of Avi turning things around as a hitter, as opposed to defensively.

[Dunt]

How does making him DH help? I agree that AVI's defense is a huge negative and a reason why he'll probably never amount to that much, but I don't know that his bat plays at DH either. That said, if their is a taker for LaRoche and it provides freedom to see if Avi can play at DH and allow us to upgrade outfield defense, I'm okay with it.

 

I think Avi is a decent enough bat to slot in at DH, but he definitely shouldn't be in the OF anymore.

[caulfield12]

Well, he is in the top 5 of the AL in terms of exit velocity as the ball leaves his bat, so Garcia does have that going for him at least.

 

He's looked absolutely terrible the last month or so, though.

Edited July 8, 2015 by caulfield12

[GreenSox]

Indeed. The whole point of trading Quintana would be to obtain a package centered around a team's top position player prospect(s). This team needs depth at just about every position on that field.

I'd take multiple quality prospects for him. Doesn't have to be the team's best, which I doubt we'd get anyway.

[Chisoxfn]

I think there's a better chance of Avi turning things around as a hitter, as opposed to defensively.

Probably true. Also probably far more likely he ends up like Dayan then anything else. Bright side is he's young and we stink, so we clearly should keep giving him at bats. His value diminishes pretty significantly if he's purely a DH though and give n the negative value of his D, you really have to have a good bat to be a good DH.

[SCCWS]

I'd take multiple quality prospects for him. Doesn't have to be the team's best, which I doubt we'd get anyway.

 

I have been saying that you need to fill 2 positional player holes for Q and one has to be a prime position--C. SS or CF. If they could get a C, outfielder and a 4/5 SP kind of package, that would be worth it. Shark only brings a very solid prospect but hopefully a 3B, 2b or OF.

 

[Lillian]

I agree with those who reject the idea of trading both Samardjiza and Quintana. That would leave this team with a weak starting staff, and probably still an anemic offense and poor defense. It makes far more sense to maintain the one strength they have, which is after all, the most important part of a team; PITCHING.

Of course, they are going to have to acquire one or two more impact bats, but not at the expense of trading two starters.

 

Does anyone think that Davis could be signed as a free agent, after the season? I'm sure that it would require a very expensive contract, but he would look pretty good as a DH to replace La Roche.

Edited July 8, 2015 by Lillian