Samardzija Trade Packages

[ChiSox59]

They need to move Samardzija now. The market is ripe. Plenty of fish in the sea this offseason to replace him.

 

The Sox are at least going to see how this next week goes. Hold your horses, bud.

[LDF]

I look at this and see a few different outcomes.

#1- The White Sox do indeed sign him long term in attempt to ride this season out and make a wildcard push. If they go this route, I really do see them dealing away Quintana this winter. He can most likely bring more back in a trade than Samardzija and the one way to acquire offensive help would be to trade away pitching. I HIGHLY doubt they will go the free agent route this winter. (They NEED to maintain draft picks)

 

#2- They are saying they plan on extending him in an attempt to increase his value even more as teams will definitely get into a bidding war close to the deadline. Steve Stone currently believes they can get a team's #3 prospect for him or multiple prospects who are younger.

 

Things sure will get interesting within the next few weeks. I believe this home stand will be pivotal in determining the team's direction. Personally, I hope they find a way to acquire a few top prospects before the deadline. They need to fill that 3b, 2b and C spot badly.

 

i agree with the bolded, however, all pitchers that will be FA, will not receive a QO from there teams. that will include regular positional players. so a stop-gap fix can be found.

[LDF]

This is Part 2 of my Q&A with White Sox Dave of Barstool.

 

well it was nice until..... well you did good.

[fathom]

If the Sox trade with Toronto, I would be stunned if they didn't target Anthony Alford. He's had a great season, and most importantly, is a former football player!!

[greg775]

Trust me. I know the mindset of the Royals and their fans right now. Getting Shark would thrill them. They would think he's the missing piece. Thus their fans (and front office) would be willing to part with name players, but not their super prospects. Mondesi will be off limits to us. They can't trade any more top prospects.

 

However, they have no room for Colon. We CAN get him. It's a no brainer trade. Even if Colon sucks with the Sox, we have no use for Shark. He's gone after this year and we're going nowhere this year. It's a no risk deal. Colon and Lamb for Shark is a STEAL for the Sox.

Edited July 17, 2015 by greg775

[GreenSox]

However, they have no room for Colon. We CAN get him. It's a no brainer trade. Even if Colon sucks with the Sox, we have no use for Shark. He's gone after this year and we're going nowhere this year. It's a no risk deal. Colon and Lamb for Shark is a STEAL for the Sox.

The Royals are awful at 2B. Why haven't they called him up?

 

We can do better....if Williams/Hahn stop kidding themselves and start making some moves. They should have traded him during the all star break.

And then a new coaching staff after the season.

Edited July 17, 2015 by GreenSox

[Rowand44]

Trust me. I know the mindset of the Royals and their fans right now. Getting Shark would thrill them. They would think he's the missing piece. Thus their fans (and front office) would be willing to part with name players, but not their super prospects. Mondesi will be off limits to us. They can't trade any more top prospects.

 

However, they have no room for Colon. We CAN get him. It's a no brainer trade. Even if Colon sucks with the Sox, we have no use for Shark. He's gone after this year and we're going nowhere this year. It's a no risk deal. Colon and Lamb for Shark is a STEAL for the Sox.

The Royals front office the last few seasons has definitely been successful because they've been making trades that their fans want.

[BigFinn]

Trust me. I know the mindset of the Royals and their fans right now. Getting Shark would thrill them. They would think he's the missing piece. Thus their fans (and front office) would be willing to part with name players, but not their super prospects. Mondesi will be off limits to us. They can't trade any more top prospects.

 

However, they have no room for Colon. We CAN get him. It's a no brainer trade. Even if Colon sucks with the Sox, we have no use for Shark. He's gone after this year and we're going nowhere this year. It's a no risk deal. Colon and Lamb for Shark is a STEAL for the Sox.

If Lamb is John Lamb, 25 year old LHP, here are his particulars:

2015: 0.71 GO/FO ratio, 7 HR in 84 IP, 86 K, 27 BB, 1.15 WHIP

Career: 0.86 GO/FO ratio, 58 HR in 595.1 IP, 569 K, 203 BB, 1.28 WHIP

Lamb just doesn't look like a prospect.

 

If Colon is Christian Colon, 26 year old 2B, here are his particulars:

2015 Minors: .342/.359/.421

2015 Majors: .244/.306/.295

Career minors: .282/.344/.386

Career majors: .271/.331/.366

Beckham is only two years older and we don't have to send Shark to Kansas City to get him.

 

If we deal with Kansas City, and if Mondesi is off the table, the next few prospects come with some baggage, according to MLB Pipeline:

#2 Sean Manaea, 23 year old LHP, is a one-pitch LHP

#3 Kyle Zimmer, 23 year old RHP, just had arthroscopic surgery to clean out his shoulder

#4 Miguel Almonte, 22 year old RHP, has two pitches, an inconsistent fastball and a change that "he fall in love with"

#5 Hunter Dozier, 23 year old error-prone 3B, 'nuff said.

 

#9 Chase Vallot, 18 year old C, is rated as the 10th best catching prospect in baseball, but he''s playing in the low-A SALLY league, and he may be 4 years away. He's not someone to target if you want to maximize your chances for winning with the White Sox in a "Win Now" mode.

[fathom]

Even Mondesi Jr. has struggled this year, causing scouting experts to be pessimistic about his long-term potential.

[Lip Man 1]

The Royals are awful at 2B. Why haven't they called him up?

 

We can do better....if Williams/Hahn stop kidding themselves and start making some moves. They should have traded him during the all star break.

And then a new coaching staff after the season.

 

I think the team will make some moves in the next 10 days but honestly I don't think you'll be seeing changes to the coaching staff or manager this off season.

 

Right or wrong the Sox are a very loyal organization. JR, Kenny, Hahn are all in Robin's corner. Now he may resign, there's always that chance but from what I'm hearing he will not be fired.

 

Mark

[GreenSox]

Right or wrong the Sox are a very loyal organization. JR, Kenny, Hahn are all in Robin's corner. Now he may resign, there's always that chance but from what I'm hearing he will not be fired.

 

Mark

If they can't see how poorly coached this team team is, then they just aren't serious.

[greg775]

The Royals are awful at 2B. Why haven't they called him up?

We can do better....if Williams/Hahn stop kidding themselves and start making some moves. They should have traded him during the all star break.

And then a new coaching staff after the season.

 

Cause of Omar. They can't embarrass the veteran by cutting into his at bats. Colon was sent down to get to play more. No room for him. They would deal him. The time is now!

 

If we can do better than Omar/Lamb (high draft pick before surgery!) then bring it on. I'm all for BETTER than Colon/Lamb. But Lamb/Colon would be a great haul for Shark IMO. I mean Shark isn't gonna be here after this season.

Edited July 18, 2015 by greg775

[Y2Jimmy0]

Cause of Omar. They can't embarrass the veteran by cutting into his at bats. Colon was sent down to get to play more. No room for him. They would deal him. The time is now!

 

If we can do better than Omar/Lamb (high draft pick before surgery!) then bring it on. I'm all for BETTER than Colon/Lamb. But Lamb/Colon would be a great haul for Shark IMO. I mean Shark isn't gonna be here after this season.

 

 

That haul sucks. Give me the comp pick.

[GreenSox]

Regarding a question of a Castro for Samardzija trade, a righteous member of the Chicago media had this to say.

 

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 3h3 hours ago

@Djeenigenburg That's a rarity: A genuinely interesting, viable, and conversation-worthy Cubs-Sox proposal. I bet Cubs would say no first.

 

I don't live in Chicago so I don't know who these characters are, but, good gracious.

[OmarComing25]

Regarding a question of a Castro for Samardzija trade, a righteous member of the Chicago media had this to say.

 

Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 3h3 hours ago

@Djeenigenburg That's a rarity: A genuinely interesting, viable, and conversation-worthy Cubs-Sox proposal. I bet Cubs would say no first.

 

I don't live in Chicago so I don't know who these characters are, but, good gracious.

Ugh, stay far away from Castro. He's bad, and he has a bad contract. His negative WAR would fit right in with all the rest of the guys on this team. This isn't the first year he's hit like s*** either.

[BigFinn]

Time to sell.

 

The Sox needed to sweep the Royals. Now, the best they can do is 2–2. At best they'll be 11 back in the AL Central race. The Sox are 6 1/2 back in the wild card race.

[Balta1701]

Ugh, stay far away from Castro. He's bad, and he has a bad contract. His negative WAR would fit right in with all the rest of the guys on this team. This isn't the first year he's hit like s*** either.

I'd be curious about him because he's talented and should be underpriced given his contract. I wouldn't want him for Samardzija but I'm actually more interested in him to fill a need than I want to admit. He's kind of like Garcia to me except much more expensive. I'd play him for a couple years but I wouldn't give up much for him or I'd take him as a "piece". Would not want him as the main piece for Samardzija, but would take him as 1 of 2-3 pieces and they wouldn't have to give up any of their real big pieces to make me do it. They could use Alexei to replace him for this year as well and I'd be totally ok with that.

[greg775]

Time to sell.

 

The Sox needed to sweep the Royals. Now, the best they can do is 2–2. At best they'll be 11 back in the AL Central race. The Sox are 6 1/2 back in the wild card race.

Amen, Finn. Just think if we make GOOD trades for Lexi, Shark, Robertson and LaRoche and Melky in the next 2 weeks. We're talking a very very nice re-tooling of our team. Go ahead and sign Shark this offseason if u like, but deal him now and get some bodies back for him! Saladino can play short as we wait for Anderson.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Time to sell definitely. Shark for sure, DFA Conor, and only move Quintana if we can get a very good MLB ready hitter. I love Quintana but this lineup needs retooled bad.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Amen, Finn. Just think if we make GOOD trades for Lexi, Shark, Robertson and LaRoche and Melky in the next 2 weeks. We're talking a very very nice re-tooling of our team. Go ahead and sign Shark this offseason if u like, but deal him now and get some bodies back for him! Saladino can play short as we wait for Anderson.

 

 

Greg, I'm pretty sure you are going to be disappointed. Samardzija will get traded. Maybe even Alexei. I'd be shocked if Robertson, Melky, or LaRoche go anywhere though. Chairman wants to win in 2016

[Y2Jimmy0]

Time to sell definitely. Shark for sure, DFA Conor, and only move Quintana if we can get a very good MLB ready hitter. I love Quintana but this lineup needs retooled bad.

 

 

1 good ML ready hitter? That's not nearly enough for Quintana. Q trades could be entertained in offseason but I doubt it.

[BlackSox13]

While Melky has been hitting better, what team would want to take on his contract?

 

Alexei is hitting .226 with a very noticeable decline with his defense. What team would want him?

 

LaRoche is a power hitting 1B/DH minus the power, hitting .219, strikes out a ton and under contract through 2016. What team would want him?

 

Talk about selling low to no bidders. If these guys were hitting, would we be so eager to trade them? Think about that...

 

I agree that Samardzija gets traded but I'd be willing to bet it will be for less than many Sox fans ( myself included) are hoping for.

 

While I'm fine with the idea of trading Robertson, I doubt the Sox are interested in trading him unless blown away and the same goes for Q who just last winter was considered " untouchable ".

 

So realistically were looking at trading Samardzija which will not retool the team. Take the best offer as long as the offer has more value than the comp pick and move on.

 

 

[Bigsoxhurt35]

1 good ML ready hitter? That's not nearly enough for Quintana. Q trades could be entertained in offseason but I doubt it.

Well I doubt we'd get three elite prospects so one elite one and a couple other solid prospects.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Well I doubt we'd get three elite prospects so one elite one and a couple other solid prospects.

 

 

I just don't understand the rush on this board to trade Quintana for far less than he's worth.

[fathom]

I just don't understand the rush on this board to trade Quintana for far less than he's worth.

 

Agreed, you run the risk of making the only strength of the team (starting pitching) into a possible weakness and there's no guarantee you hit on the players received in the package. With the Sox likely to lose Samardzija soon/end of season, I would like to avoid a situation where you're relying on Rodon to be your #2 next season.