Samardzija Trade Packages

[shysocks]

Erik Johnson, not Edwin Jackson.

Oh. Identifying EJ as Edwin Jackson explains that post much better.

[Whitewashed in '05]

You almost have to trade Quintana. With a historically terrible offense and defense, we have to be willing to deal someone who's capable of providing us with a package that inproves the team. Not just in 2016, but beyond.

 

If not from Quintana, how does this team improve with dealing Shark for a b rated prospect? We're sure as hell not going to replace six full-time position players off FA/waiver deals, i'll tell you that much. We need help.

What you're saying about dealing Quintana to fill multiple holes is the point I'm trying to make. Will teams actually deal proven a MLB player plus top prospects? Q has such a great contract and great numbers, teams may not be willing to make a deal. And I sure as heck don't want to lower our asking price as a result.

 

 

[BlackSox13]

And it sounds like the Dodgers are only looking at guys signed past this season as insurance for when Greinke opts out at the end of the year.

The Dodgers are reportedly interested in Cueto as well so they are likely calling around to find out what those pitchers will cost as far as prospects. Imo, Cueto makes the most sense for the Dodgers since he will not cost as much ( prospects) as Hamels and the Dodgers have the money and a winning team to to lure Cueto into signing with them after the WS. Again, just my opinion.

 

Houston could be a very interesting trade partner if the White Sox make Q available. Especially since the Rangers are supposedly in on Hamels.

[caulfield12]

Is that Hamels contract now considered a bargain?

 

Two months ago, it was more of a salary relief must come back with him conversation.

 

Who's going to outbid the Dodgers on Greinke? With his social personality disorder, NY or Boston's not the best landing spot. You could see Detroit if they go back into "all in" mode, which they are pretty much going to be forced into doing with their roster construction and payroll.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

Is that Hamels contract now considered a bargain?

 

Two months ago, it was more of a salary relief must come back with him conversation.

 

Who's going to outbid the Dodgers on Greinke? With his social personality disorder, NY or Boston's not the best landing spot. You could see Detroit if they go back into "all in" mode, which they are pretty much going to be forced into doing with their roster construction and payroll.

To my knowledge it's been considered a bargain for awhile now. That's why they've held out for the right return.

[bmags]

After dealing with Danks, I wouldn't want to touch these long term pitcher deals with a ten foot pole.

 

Even with teams with resources like Cubs Yankees, it's still awkward for them to deal with an 18 million dollar sink hole in the rotation.

[BlackSox13]

After dealing with Danks, I wouldn't want to touch these long term pitcher deals with a ten foot pole.

 

Even with teams with resources like Cubs Yankees, it's still awkward for them to deal with an 18 million dollar sink hole in the rotation.

This is exactly why I hope the Sox do not try to sign Samardzija this winter. Trade him and move on.

[ShandyMan]

Bowden's insider position rankings for trade value has Shark at #8 behind Casher, Ross, and Kazmir.

 

 

[Y2Jimmy0]

Bowden's insider position rankings for trade value has Shark at #8 behind Casher, Ross, and Kazmir.

 

 

Jon Heyman says this of the White Sox: If the White Sox wind up selling, Jeff Samardzija would be the big piece. The Blue Jays are one of a few that could be a fit, but the Dodgers seem to view him as a fallback candidate and the Royals appear to like others a bit more. The Yankees could be another fit. He'd make sense there as the Notre Dame football star doesn't mind a big stage.

 

Here's the article: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-he...-via-jon-heyman

 

Bowden said:

8. Jeff Samardzija, RHP, Chicago White Sox: Has bounced back from his early struggles -- he has a streak of eight consecutive starts of seven innings of more -- and is ready to be dealt.

 

7. Alexei Ramirez, SS, Chicago White Sox: Ramirez's trade value is at an all-time low because of his absolutely dismal season.

 

16. Gordon Beckham, IF, White Sox: His ability to play three infield positions helps his value as a bench player.

 

No mention of LaRoche or any of the relief pitchers.

 

 

[ptatc]

it's not the worst thing in the world...but you guys can't tell me this team has a shot at competing in the next 2 seasons and then take a comp pick for Samardzija. It just totally does not match up.

With this pitching staff I do think there ca be a quick improvement to competitive.

[BlackSox13]

Is that Hamels contract now considered a bargain?

 

Two months ago, it was more of a salary relief must come back with him conversation.

 

I think desperate contenders are the difference between now and then. I don't see how an NL pitcher with a 3.91 ERA earning 23.5M through 2018 is a bargain. If that's a bargain then the Sox need to deal Q now.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I think desperate contenders are the difference between now and then. I don't see how an NL pitcher with a 3.91 ERA earning 23.5M through 2018 is a bargain. If that's a bargain then the Sox need to deal Q now.

 

 

Don't look at just ERA. Hamels has been awesome. He plays on an awful team. He's owed $90.5 million over next 4 years. He's a bargain compared to what guys will get this offseason.

[BlackSox13]

Don't look at just ERA. Hamels has been awesome. He plays on an awful team. He's a bargain compared to what guys will get this offseason.

Sounds alot like Q except Q is a much bigger bargain.

 

I still cannot see a 31 year old making that money with that ERA a bargain. But that's just me, maybe I'm behind the times.

[greg775]

Inquiring minds want to know: Why hasn't Shark been traded yet? Why do the Sox front office types not see what their fans see? That this is one, horses*** team that had no chance of a WC? They are 1-4 since the all star game, predictably. Why can't they pull the trigger on trades? They already are very late in getting some new bodies in here for Shark, Melky, Robertson, LaRoche, Lexi, Beckham, Shuck, Eaton. Keep Sale, Rodon, Q, Saladino, Avi and Abreu and trade everybody else soon, please???

Edited July 22, 2015 by greg775

[Balta1701]

Inquiring minds want to know: Why hasn't Shark been traded yet? Why do the Sox front office types not see what their fans see? That this is one, horses*** team that had no chance of a WC? They are 1-4 since the all star game, predictably. Why can't they pull the trigger on trades? They already are very late in getting some new bodies in here for Shark, Melky, Robertson, LaRoche, Lexi, Beckham, Shuck, Eaton. Keep Sale, Rodon, Q, Saladino, Avi and Abreu and trade everybody else soon, please???

1. Because they went on that poorly timed run in late June and early July, they probably were hesitant to trade him until they were 100% out of it.2

2. He was actually performing well during that run so the White Sox holding onto him possibly did help him establish that he could still produce for a contender.

3. There are a lot of pitchers on the trade market right now and none of them have moved at all. Teams are being hesitant and aren't pulling out their best offers yet.

 

I think 3 is probably the most important of these. There are so many front line pitchers out there, especially if you count Price, that the teams with starting pitching needs can wait on the market to come down.

[LDF]

1. Because they went on that poorly timed run in late June and early July, they probably were hesitant to trade him until they were 100% out of it.2

2. He was actually performing well during that run so the White Sox holding onto him possibly did help him establish that he could still produce for a contender.

3. There are a lot of pitchers on the trade market right now and none of them have moved at all. Teams are being hesitant and aren't pulling out their best offers yet.

 

I think 3 is probably the most important of these. There are so many front line pitchers out there, especially if you count Price, that the teams with starting pitching needs can wait on the market to come down.

 

b/c the sox fo has always been late to the party...... for hopes of catching, as someone said, lighting in a bottle.

 

i guess that white flag incident is too entrench..... they are afraid of another black eye.

[spiderman]

As dumb as some of the comments/rumors may be regarding the White Sox current position in this season, I can't believe they aren't actively looking to move as many parts as possible. Obviously, there has to be a market for their players, and the willingness to pay for a player to play on another team in some situations; point being, it may not be feasible to trade every player they'd prefer to, but I do expect movement.

 

As far as this being a 3 year plan, this team appears to be far away, in my view.

 

1) Chris Sale and Jose Quintana (although he has been a bit rocky at times) are good building block pieces needed for a quick turnaround. Carlos Rodon should also fit into that scenario next season, but they will be looking for another Jeff Samardzija this off-season if they plan on competing next season given the obvious need of a right handed starter with top-of the rotation stuff.

 

2) The IF is in awful shape. Is Tim Anderson ready to play SS next season? Are there any 3B candidates? Who plays 2B? Carlos Sanchez, to date, is a weak hitting slap hitter who is not a major league hitter.

 

3) Melky Cabrera has been an underwhelming addition and Adam Eaton has regressed. Can both rebound? Do the White Sox have another other option but to hope?

 

The offense lacks a legitimate #4 and #5 hitter. LaRoche is more of #6 type hitter.

 

The bullpen has improved and Robertson has had an excellent first season; the rest of the bullpen has had it's ups and down, but overall better though it's not one I trust in the later innings of a close game.

 

All in all, I do have my doubts over how much room this team to improve. They spent a lot of money last off-season. How much money will they have to spend this off-season?

 

If they go down the trading route, moving young talent (of the few that they do have) for proven major league talent is short-sighted. They need to be adding, not subtracting for any long-term growth as opposed to an occasional one year blip.

[LDF]

As dumb as some of the comments/rumors may be regarding the White Sox current position in this season, I can't believe they aren't actively looking to move as many parts as possible. Obviously, there has to be a market for their players, and the willingness to pay for a player to play on another team in some situations; point being, it may not be feasible to trade every player they'd prefer to, but I do expect movement.

 

As far as this being a 3 year plan, this team appears to be far away, in my view.

 

1) Chris Sale and Jose Quintana (although he has been a bit rocky at times) are good building block pieces needed for a quick turnaround. Carlos Rodon should also fit into that scenario next season, but they will be looking for another Jeff Samardzija this off-season if they plan on competing next season given the obvious need of a right handed starter with top-of the rotation stuff.

 

2) The IF is in awful shape. Is Tim Anderson ready to play SS next season? Are there any 3B candidates? Who plays 2B? Carlos Sanchez, to date, is a weak hitting slap hitter who is not a major league hitter.

 

3) Melky Cabrera has been an underwhelming addition and Adam Eaton has regressed. Can both rebound? Do the White Sox have another other option but to hope? look at Melky avg the last 2 months.... you will be surprise.

 

The offense lacks a legitimate #4 and #5 hitter. LaRoche is more of #6 type hitter. 6.... more like 7 or 8th

 

The bullpen has improved and Robertson has had an excellent first season; the rest of the bullpen has had it's ups and down, but overall better though it's not one I trust in the later innings of a close game.

 

All in all, I do have my doubts over how much room this team to improve. They spent a lot of money last off-season. How much money will they have to spend this off-season?

 

If they go down the trading route, moving young talent (of the few that they do have) for proven major league talent is short-sighted. They need to be adding, not subtracting for any long-term growth as opposed to an occasional one year blip.

 

the offseason will tell how the sox do.

[2nd_city_saint787]

b/c the sox fo has always been late to the party...... for hopes of catching, as someone said, lighting in a bottle.

 

i guess that white flag incident is too entrench..... they are afraid of another black eye.

 

The thing is, the party hasn't even started. Has there been any trades thus far???

 

[bighurt574]

I have to think all the comments about not being in sell mode yet are a smokescreen to try to look less desperate and maintain a little leverage.

 

If the Sox actually think they can still contend, they're idiots. I wouldn't blow everything up for next year by any means, but it's well past time to move out who we can, keep the core guys, and hope we do a better job in the upcoming offseason at finding some good pieces on offense. And if they can turn Quintana into, say, two future everyday position players, I think you have to seriously consider it.

Edited July 22, 2015 by bighurt574

[LDF]

The thing is, the party hasn't even started. Has there been any trades thus far???

 

great point.... i guess it is still in the early feeling out point.

 

but can you imagine if the sox pulled the trigger, least 2 weeks ago with a reasonable rtn price??? that trade would have been made.

 

a good rtn, not max out the rtn.... is all i would be happy with.... something that would be better than a 1rn comp pick.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I have to think all the comments about not being in sell mode yet are a smokescreen to try to look less desperate and maintain a little leverage.

 

If the Sox actually think they can still contend, they're idiots.

 

Has there even been any of those comments post KC series?

 

[caulfield12]

Looks like Jason Vargas might have a serious injury...MRI today, major DL time and they absolutely have to make a move with Ventura banished to the minors for the time being.

[LDF]

I have to think all the comments about not being in sell mode yet are a smokescreen to try to look less desperate and maintain a little leverage.

 

If the Sox actually think they can still contend, they're idiots. I wouldn't blow everything up for next year by any means, but it's well past time to move out who we can, keep the core guys, and hope we do a better job in the upcoming offseason at finding some good pieces on offense. And if they can turn Quintana into, say, two future everyday position players, I think you have to seriously consider it.

 

excellent point on the first part.

 

on the 2nc, i think after the kc series, it is now understood.

[LDF]

Looks like Jason Vargas might have a serious injury...MRI today, major DL time and they absolutely have to make a move with Ventura banished to the minors for the time being.

 

i saw that......

 

i hate to gloat or anything but it does make it a sellers market.....