Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Royals fans are nervous about the package. Just be happy you're going for it and cream of the crop in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 lamb in the deal according to Morosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) Now there are three names that have been thrown out there by Rosenthal and the KC Star. Kyle Zimmer, Sean Manaea and Bubba Starling, who just got hurt running into the wall last week in AA. Both those pitchers have had injury issues coming into this year. Other names being mentioned are Finnegan and Mondesi, Jr. Starling has been awful since he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Royals fans are nervous about the package. Just be happy you're going for it and cream of the crop in the AL. The Tigers have lost quite a few prospects over the past 5 years or so in an attempt to go for it all. The Royals are now in that same boat. I guess if there is a positive over the past 5 seasons, it is that the White Sox have gained prospects, while competitive teams like Detroit and KC have lost them. This year, we should be gaining more as the deadline rapidly approaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 42s42 seconds ago I have been given info that Rick Hahn wanted to sell weeks ago and Williams felt otherwise. Don't let this change that. #StayTheCourse #Sell From one of our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 If we add then KW is really in charge. If we sell then Hahn really does have input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) If we add then KW is really in charge. If we sell then Hahn really does have input I don't think that's necessarily the case. The team is determining things at this stage. Not KW or Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) The Tigers have lost quite a few prospects over the past 5 years or so in an attempt to go for it all. The Royals are now in that same boat. I guess if there is a positive over the past 5 seasons, it is that the White Sox have gained prospects, while competitive teams like Detroit and KC have lost them. This year, we should be gaining more as the deadline rapidly approaches. The Royals seemingly made a 1st round mistake thinking that Finnegan was going to make it as a starter (they did get a meaningful contribution from him down the stretch and in the postseason, though). Maybe the Astros will give him that opportunity. Yes, they also dealt Lamb, but you have to take into consideration they still have Zimmer, Manaea and Kris Medlen for insurance on the starting rotation. That's not a bad place to be at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) Starling has been awful since he was drafted. Presumably he would have been the lottery ticket like Montas when we traded Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) The Royals seemingly made a 1st round mistake thinking that Finnegan was going to make it as a starter Maybe the Astros will give him that opportunity. Probably won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) Probably won't. Not before the end of this season, but coming into 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Brian Bilek @ChiSoxraBBit 42s42 seconds ago I have been given info that Rick Hahn wanted to sell weeks ago and Williams felt otherwise. Don't let this change that. #StayTheCourse #Sell From one of our own. Yeah I dont believe that for a second. Edited July 26, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Yeah I dont believe that for a second. Although it would go along with the crowd that wants to give Hahn a pass. Or testify to the fact that Hahn doesn't have any faith or confidence in his own recent blueprint eventually working out. Of course, we don't have the benefit of firsthand knowledge of what Samardzija offers were on the table at that time. A week ago, Alexei Ramirez was dead as a doornail and on the way out. Now, if you had a poll, you might have a majority thinking he's going to be back at the starting SS next season. Ever since that Cubs' series before the ASB, his defense has returned. Hard to explain. There was an article saying "he's back in a good place" but I didn't read it. Presumably, it's about things going on off the field and how his head's (and heart) now back in the game. Edited July 26, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Probably won't. I would say there's a zero percent chance of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Agreed, zero % chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) The Royals seemingly made a 1st round mistake thinking that Finnegan was going to make it as a starter (they did get a meaningful contribution from him down the stretch and in the postseason, though). Maybe the Astros will give him that opportunity. Yes, they also dealt Lamb, but you have to take into consideration they still have Zimmer, Manaea and Kris Medlen for insurance on the starting rotation. That's not a bad place to be at all. LMAO. Now Finnegan is a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, if you add Finnegan as the lefty to go with Neshek (Sox killer) and Gregerson, that's a long way to explaining how they went from the worst or second worst AL bullpen in 2014 to one of the best by the end of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) LMAO. Now Finnegan is a mistake? If you draft a pitcher in the first round and he's a reliever his entire career, I guess that's now NOT A MISTAKE because of how important pitching has become in the game. Or have you forgotten when the White Sox drafted Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda...or were smart enough not to draft Addison Reed in the 1st or 2nd? Some would argue that he paid off in 2014 alone (pitching-wise), considering many first round draft picks never make it, let alone are turned into former Cy Young winners via trade. So that's actually an excellent return on investment on a pitcher not even taken in the first ten picks. Could Courtney Hawkins (similar draft positioning, actually a bit higher) be the centerpiece of a Cueto trade? I think not. Edited July 26, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Take it with a grain of salt then but I have long been beating the "KW-Hahn tension is overblown and Hahn wouldn't accept a job under him if he didn't think it could work" drum. I was wrong and I recant that sentiment. All intel I've been getting says not that they are feuding, but they definitely have different ideas towards operations. Good info, Brian. I don't think that should be a surprise to anyone. We've seen Kenny's approach, which is always focus on improving the big league club in the immediate term. Now we've seen a bit of Hahn's approach, which is essentially develop from the ground up a bit more, be more patient, stay with the process. Does it surprise anyone that these two approaches are a bit at odds with one another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) If you draft a pitcher in the first round and he's a reliever his entire career, I guess that's now NOT A MISTAKE because of how important pitching has become in the game. Or have you forgotten when the White Sox drafted Royce Ring and Aaron Poreda...or were smart enough not to draft Addison Reed in the 1st or 2nd? Some would argue that he paid off in 2014 alone (pitching-wise), considering many first round draft picks never make it, let alone are turned into former Cy Young winners via trade. So that's actually an excellent return on investment on a pitcher not even taken in the first ten picks. Could Courtney Hawkins (similar draft positioning, actually a bit higher) be the centerpiece of a Cueto trade? I think not. It was onky a few months ago you were touting Duffy and Fiinnegan as the reason teams in the AL Central need to do nothing but rebuild. Now that he is an ex Royal, he is not good. Since you are a huge Royals fan congrats on the trade. These usually don't work out, but it is one they had to make. I just find it funny how much worse Finnegan is in your eyes now that he isn't a Royal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) Good info, Brian. I don't think that should be a surprise to anyone. We've seen Kenny's approach, which is always focus on improving the big league club in the immediate term. Now we've seen a bit of Hahn's approach, which is essentially develop from the ground up a bit more, be more patient, stay with the process. Does it surprise anyone that these two approaches are a bit at odds with one another? How does selling 3 weeks ago sound like patience? Sounds like Kenny's supposed plan is more patient that what your saying Hahn wanted. In reality Kenny's is working out much better right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) How does selling 3 weeks ago sound like patience? Sounds like Kenny's supposed plan is more patient that what your saying Hahn wanted. In reality Kenny's is working out much better right now. Long term, it is more patient. Rick wants to cut bait on this team and keep building towards the future. Kenny probably wants to add to this roster, sacrificing a bit of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 04:19 PM) Long term, it is more patient. Rick wants to cut bait on this team and keep building towards the future. Kenny probably wants to add to this roster, sacrificing a bit of the future. Hahn has 2 years. Maybe 1 year depending on how things go. If the plan is the 3 year window as has been repeated then the future is really soon. Plus we would of had to sell low on a majority of the guys we've been talking about the past few months. That's not patience. That's cut bait and save face. Edited July 26, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) Hahn has 2 years. Maybe 1 year depending on how things go. If the plan is the 3 year window as has been repeated then the future is really soon. I don't think the 3-year window is Hahn's window. The 3-year window is their chosen period of time for which they evaluate a given roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) 2 outfielders and a pitcher..... ok. many thanks on this update. Hmm, I've been talking about Pompey for a week . Still see a lot of potential for more than just Samardzija to the Jays. Could be a blockbuster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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