BlackSox13 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) And just like Buehrle, it's a majorly back loaded contract. Shields only gets $10 mil this season, but that jumps to $21 million per year for 2016-2018. That should limit their trade market unless they throw in major cash. He's also from the SD area, which is a double nut punch if they do trade him. Yep, Shields is going to be a very hard sell. Imo, Shields' contract sheds a little light as to what Samardzija could be looking for in his next contract. Not necessarily back loaded but the annual salary (21M) and years (5). I would not touch that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (JolietThunder @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) This four game sweep was the worst thing that could have happen for our long term future. I hope FO doesn't start believing in this team like I did after seeing great pitching( which is norm for us), stellar defense (not use to seeing around here) and some timely hitting ( also not use to seeing). I want this team to take CUBS approach and suck for few year and stock pile our minor league roster. This sweep featured a 6 2/3 inning scoreless gem, with 0 walks, pitched by last years first round pick, multiple hits from our star 1b, and a hit spree from our young second and third basemen. This was absolutely not the worst thing that could have happened for our long term future. April, where it seemed that our cf of the future, rf of the future, 2b of the future, and rotation looked like garbage were much darker times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Yep, Shields is going to be a very hard sell. Imo, Shields' contract sheds a little light as to what Samardzija could be looking for in his next contract. Not necessarily back loaded but the annual salary (21M) and years (5). I would not touch that. for me, this is excellent reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Question of the day. Having seen the returns for Kasmir and Cueto, has your opinion of Samardjiza's trade value changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) Question of the day. Having seen the returns for Kasmir and Cueto, has your opinion of Samardjiza's trade value changed? No, because they're better than Samardzija. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 According to Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com, the Blue Jays have been most aggressive on Jeff Samardzija. Hayes adds that the Giants are also interested. Samardzija owns a 3.91 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and 108/26 K/BB ratio in 140 1/3 innings this season with the White Sox and he's been especially dominant lately. The 30-year-old impending free agent should yield a nice return package. It looked for a while like the Pale Hose might have to sell low on him. Related: Blue Jays Source: Dan Hayes on TwitterJul 27 - 12:41 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (JolietThunder @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) This four game sweep was the worst thing that could have happen for our long term future. I hope FO doesn't start believing in this team like I did after seeing great pitching( which is norm for us), stellar defense (not use to seeing around here) and some timely hitting ( also not use to seeing). I want this team to take CUBS approach and suck for few year and stock pile our minor league roster. Yuck. You can always just cheer for the cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) No, because they're better than Samardzija. Kazmir has been better when looking at ERA, but dig deeper, and Shark has actually been better. Plus, c'mon, who would you rather have pitching for you in a must win game? Sort of a no-brainer to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) According to Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com, the Blue Jays have been most aggressive on Jeff Samardzija. Hayes adds that the Giants are also interested. Samardzija owns a 3.91 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and 108/26 K/BB ratio in 140 1/3 innings this season with the White Sox and he's been especially dominant lately. The 30-year-old impending free agent should yield a nice return package. It looked for a while like the Pale Hose might have to sell low on him. Related: Blue Jays Source: Dan Hayes on TwitterJul 27 - 12:41 PM But are the Sox really gonna trade him to a team that in 2 games of them in the standings? The price just went up in my opinion. Pentecost and Hoffman or go away. But I feel like the Sox will at least see how the next four days play out. Sweep or win 3/4, I doubt Shark goes unless they get a ransom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Seems like the Jays are the only serious suitor. LA wants price or Hamels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:46 AM) According to Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com, the Blue Jays have been most aggressive on Jeff Samardzija. Hayes adds that the Giants are also interested. Samardzija owns a 3.91 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, and 108/26 K/BB ratio in 140 1/3 innings this season with the White Sox and he's been especially dominant lately. The 30-year-old impending free agent should yield a nice return package. It looked for a while like the Pale Hose might have to sell low on him. Related: Blue Jays Source: Dan Hayes on TwitterJul 27 - 12:41 PM MAYBE related? Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I know he doesnt have fans here, but if the Sox could swing getting Dalton Pompey for Shark, I would be beyond ecstatic. He got rushed to the majors and wasnt ready. A plus defender with speed that can hit a little would be a nice get for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 My thoughts? What's the worst case scenario? We keep him, we don't do well, don't resign him and get a sandwich pick? I'm okay with that. There's no guarantee if we trade that we get an impact player either. I've been as hard on the Sox as anybody and don't think we'll get to the playoffs or win more than 83 games or so, but, the kicker is that last spot in the Wild Card. I'm counting the Astros/Angels spot gone already. Almost like hockey, all it takes is to get into the playoffs and you never know what will happen. Very least, let's wait until the deadline to trade him. Not going to happen before his next start hopefully, so let's play out this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) But are the Sox really gonna trade him to a team that in 2 games of them in the standings? The price just went up in my opinion. Pentecost and Hoffman or go away. But I feel like the Sox will at least see how the next four days play out. Sweep or win 3/4, I doubt Shark goes unless they get a ransom. This post has my exact thoughts. I feel like if they sweep the Red Sox, then they'll make a push and settle for a sandwich pick or resigning Samardzija. If they don't the price should be something like Pentecost and Hoffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) MAYBE related? Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) It would be bold to ask, but for a rental, considering this guy cost $6 million plus penalty to sign 3 weeks ago, there was no chance SF says yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Kazmir has been better when looking at ERA, but dig deeper, and Shark has actually been better. Plus, c'mon, who would you rather have pitching for you in a must win game? Sort of a no-brainer to me. Tough call. Kazmir might walk everyone but Samardzija is more likely to get hit hard. Can I just trade them both for Chris Sale to pitch that game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) MAYBE related? Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) I feel like the Sox and Giants don't match up especially well for a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) I feel like the Sox and Giants don't match up especially well for a trade. Outside of maybe Susac, I doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:13 PM) This post has my exact thoughts. I feel like if they sweep the Red Sox, then they'll make a push and settle for a sandwich pick or resigning Samardzija. If they don't the price should be something like Pentecost and Hoffman. I would like to see Dalton Pompey's name in the mix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) MAYBE related? Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) does anyone think this sounds like a move the sox would do....... i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) does anyone think this sounds like a move the sox would do....... i do. A 18 year old sure wouldn't fit their 3 year plan, so I kinda doubt it. Plus I think Tim Anderson is type SS of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) A 18 year old sure wouldn't fit their 3 year plan, so I kinda doubt it. Plus I think Tim Anderson is type SS of the future. If the White Sox don't like any of the Giants top talent, it makes sense to ask for a guy like that. I don't know if it is them or not, but we all know the White Sox have been asking for big name prospects from teams when they come calling for our players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) A 18 year old sure wouldn't fit their 3 year plan, so I kinda doubt it. Plus I think Tim Anderson is type SS of the future. Eh, SS at 18 years old doesn't mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) I just think the Sox trade for someone who is gonna help next year, and possibly even this year. Can't see them trading their best chip for a piece that's a few years away. Particularly when said piece plays the position that Tim Anderson plays (hopefully). Edited July 27, 2015 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) I just think the Sox trade for someone who is gonna help next year, and possibly even this year. Can't see them trading their best chip for a piece that's a few years away. Particularly when said piece plays the position that Tim Anderson plays (hopefully). I think that is goal #1. But at the same time, if they can pick up a kid who was projected to be a to 10 draft pick if he had been subject to the draft, and would instantly be one of our 2 or 3 best prospects, they would do it. Like I said, I don't know if it was the Sox that asked for him, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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