royoung Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 13m13 minutes ago #BlueJays working to trade for a starting pitcher. Ian Kennedy one of the many options they're considering. Every indication is Blue Jays will make a splash for a starter...Bucket reports TOR has a standing offer for Shark. Shark is scheduled to start tonight...is today the day? If I am the Blue Jays, I force the Sox front office to decide before Shark's start tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Again, if we're doing the "buying and selling" thing, I don't get why we'd help a team that's only 1.5 games ahead of us in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I'd be shocked if Samardzija doesn't start tonight in Boston. Whether you think the Sox are in it or not...with where they are in the standings, and how low the win total for the second wildcard could get, there's no way they should give up on this season right now. Now maybe if they lose tonight and Wednesday, and the Twins beat the Pirates both games, maybe they bail Friday before 3pm. But right now? No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 13m13 minutes ago #BlueJays working to trade for a starting pitcher. Ian Kennedy one of the many options they're considering. Every indication is Blue Jays will make a splash for a starter...Bucket reports TOR has a standing offer for Shark. Shark is scheduled to start tonight...is today the day? If I am the Blue Jays, I force the Sox front office to decide before Shark's start tonight. Did buckets say by what type of offer? Pressure is on Toronto and us frankly. We're hot and playing well. Shark goes out and has a good game and we win 6-1, then it's even more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Again, if we're doing the "buying and selling" thing, I don't get why we'd help a team that's only 1.5 games ahead of us in the standings. We won't. Can't. Has to be a pure sell if we're trading with TOR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 With the trade deadline Friday, I don't see why a decision has to be made on Samardzija tonight. If we lose the next two sell him off, if we win the next two only trade him if you get a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) For all of this KW bashing and trading away prospects, who has he traded away that amounted to anything of significance? Gio Gonzalez is the only player that comes to my mind. Here's the recent deadline trades abd I don't see anything alarming at all. Maybe I am missing some trades but I don't see the Sox giving anything up of significance over the years. 2008: Griffey for Nick Masset and Danny Richar= nothing trade 2009: Acquired Peavy for Poreda, Rusell, Clayton Richard and Dexter Carter= good trade 2010: Edwin Jackson for Daniel Hudson and David Holmberg= nothing trade 2012: Brett Myers for Matt Heidenreich and Blair Walters Francisco Liriano for Eduardo Escobar and Pedro Hernandez= I do that trade everyday even though Liriano didn't fare all that well in Chicago. 2013: Peavy for Garcia, Montas, Wendelken, and Rondon too early to tell but looks promising. THIS, is why I don't want to rush to trade Shark. What we get back for him doesn't necessarily have the promise to be anything at all. So if I weighing options here I'm weighing the chances of a return on trade vs a sandwich pick is a greater than the return of keeping Shark when we are 4.5 out of a WC spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) With the trade deadline Friday, I don't see why a decision has to be made on Samardzija tonight. If we lose the next two sell him off, if we win the next two only trade him if you get a great deal. It isn't. Though I wouldn't be shocked to see a bold move for a bat today or tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) If you offered Avi for Middlebrooks, SD would take the trade. Hahn is the back up QB here. An assumed star based upon nothing. You believe they would take it based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) With the trade deadline Friday, I don't see why a decision has to be made on Samardzija tonight. If we lose the next two sell him off, if we win the next two only trade him if you get a great deal. Not saying it would be ideal for the Sox, but Blue Jays can't wait forever. There is guys available on the secondary market that they could go after. If Sox FO is in turmoil as described and can't make a decision, they could be last one standing without a chair so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) You believe they would take it based on what? Well, Middlebrooks f***ing sucks, so that's probably why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) Well, Middlebrooks f***ing sucks, so that's probably why Have you watched Avi play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) You believe they would take it based on what? SD loves poor fielding OFers, it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 07:38 AM) Dick, you have to stop doing this. It's nonsense. You can't pull any random post from any poster to support a post and claim hypocrisy on who you are talking to. I do think that KW's hard-headedness after 2010 put this team in bad straits for moving forward. I do NOT think that KW is the right GM for this team right now. I think he would have been great to take over the Padres/Toronto, teams that need to go for it. But we need someone who is calm and patient, and Hahn seems like that guy! But to me his moves have GOT to hit, and if we cleaned house after this year to start over I wouldn't say he was treated unfairly. I don't know how anyone can really say that there has to be one way to build the team. I want our organization to be flexible. To take advantage of market inefficiencies and to be able to react fluidly to the progress of the major league team to ensure a consistently competitive team. This is not particularly well-achieved with a rigid plan, such as, only assembling prospects, or only assembling free agent veterans. It requires the ability to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves, which I felt like we were trying to do last offseason. I felt like we did a great job of balancing today against tomorrow. I don't feel like any of these contracts will significantly alter our course moving forward. And yet, we provided an opportunity to compete this year if things broke right. The overall key to this is maintaining payroll flexibility through identifying your key contributors early and signing them to club-friendly contracts. Drafting well and scouting internationally. Many organizations have shown being active with free agents or in the trade market and utilizing an intelligent development plan are not mutually exclusive. I think we've begun to go down that road and I'm pretty pleased with our course, last offseason included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Have you watched Avi play? Do you not recognize Avi's tools/potential? Do you not know he is 23 years old? Not specifically you but so many on here act as if Avi is a closed case bust already. I don't get it. Sorry that everyone isnt Mike Trout an immediate superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) You believe they would take it based on what? Potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) Did buckets say by what type of offer? Pressure is on Toronto and us frankly. We're hot and playing well. Shark goes out and has a good game and we win 6-1, then it's even more interesting. Since the All Star break the Sox are 5-0 against bad teams (CLE & BOS) and 1-5 against good teams (KC & STL). 18 of the next 28 games are against good, playoff contending teams and to realistically have a shot at the playoffs, they would need to play ~.600 ball the rest of the season. I can't fathom why they are even contemplating being buyers at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:34 AM) Since the All Star break the Sox are 5-0 against bad teams (CLE & BOS) and 1-5 against good teams (KC & STL). 18 of the next 28 games are against good, playoff contending teams and to realistically have a shot at the playoffs, they would need to play ~.600 ball the rest of the season. I can't fathom why they are even contemplating being buyers at this point. Baltimore, Cubs, Toronto, Houston...they beat those teams as well. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Looks like I missed quite a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) Do you not recognize Avi's tools/potential? Do you not know he is 23 years old? Not specifically you but so many on here act as if Avi is a closed case bust already. I don't get it. Sorry that everyone isnt Mike Trout an immediate superstar. His SLG%, wOBA, wRC+, ISO, and UZR have all decreased each season in addition to his K% increasing. He is a -1.7 WAR player over the course of his first 851 ABs. Where some people still may see potential, I see someone that doesnt make adjustments and is getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) I don't know how anyone can really say that there has to be one way to build the team. I want our organization to be flexible. To take advantage of market inefficiencies and to be able to react fluidly to the progress of the major league team to ensure a consistently competitive team. This is not particularly well-achieved with a rigid plan, such as, only assembling prospects, or only assembling free agent veterans. It requires the ability to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves, which I felt like we were trying to do last offseason. I felt like we did a great job of balancing today against tomorrow. I don't feel like any of these contracts will significantly alter our course moving forward. And yet, we provided an opportunity to compete this year if things broke right. The overall key to this is maintaining payroll flexibility through identifying your key contributors early and signing them to club-friendly contracts. Drafting well and scouting internationally. Many organizations have shown being active with free agents or in the trade market and utilizing an intelligent development plan are not mutually exclusive. I think we've begun to go down that road and I'm pretty pleased with our course, last offseason included. Great post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Do some really think the return for 2 months of Samardjiza is going to reshape the future of the franchise vs. taking the comp pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) With the trade deadline Friday, I don't see why a decision has to be made on Samardzija tonight. If we lose the next two sell him off, if we win the next two only trade him if you get a great deal. Why base your whole course of action on a two-game stretch? That's 1.2% of the season. What if the Sox win the next two then lose the next four? What if they lose the next two then win the next four? The Sox have now played about 100 games this year. They should make good decisions/trades for both the short- and long-term health of the club regardless of a ridiculously small sample of two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) Do some really think the return for 2 months of Samardjiza is going to reshape the future of the franchise vs. taking the comp pick? You never know, to be honest. Is it likely, probably not. But all it takes is one player to turn into a Chris Sale or a Mike Trout or Josh Donaldson to reshape the future of the franchise. If it does, it obviously won't be because either team knew the player who was traded at the time would turn into that eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) Looks like I missed quite a bit Biggest thing was bucket-of-suck came in and said sox have deals in place for smarj with TOR and SF but is being told to wait until boston series. He also said that there is infighting in FO and that "kw is in charge" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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