OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) Why base your whole course of action on a two-game stretch? That's 1.2% of the season. What if the Sox win the next two then lose the next four? What if they lose the next two then win the next four? The Sox have now played about 100 games this year. They should make good decisions/trades for both the short- and long-term health of the club regardless of a ridiculously small sample of two games. Because there's only a few more days to make the decision, and the long-term value of the comp pick vs. what we would get in a trade is unlikely to be a huge gap (unless someone gets desperate and overpays, then by all means make the deal). If we win the next two games we're right in the thick of things, especially if the Pirates beat the Twins both days as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:48 AM) Why base your whole course of action on a two-game stretch? That's 1.2% of the season. What if the Sox win the next two then lose the next four? What if they lose the next two then win the next four? The Sox have now played about 100 games this year. They should make good decisions/trades for both the short- and long-term health of the club regardless of a ridiculously small sample of two games. Because they have to draw the line somewhere with a deadline in just over 76 hours from now. The Sox are teetering on the edge of contending with a viable shot, and not. They'll have a lot more information in 60 hours. Edited July 28, 2015 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Biggest thing was bucket-of-suck came in and said sox have deals in place for smarj with TOR and SF but is being told to wait until boston series. He also said that there is infighting in FO and that "kw is in charge" Well I guess I was wrong in that case. I'll have to go back and read the replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:38 AM) Baltimore, Cubs, Toronto, Houston...they beat those teams as well. Explain. I'm not suggesting that it is impossible for them to beat any good teams. What I'm saying is that this team has been remarkably streaky all season long and for us to now, all of a sudden, decide that we can win 60+% of our games from here on out is irresponsible. This team, to this point in the season, has had a historically bad offense (The Impressively Poor White Sox Offense). I don't think that one impressive offensive weekend against bad teams should change the course of action for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Honestly I have more of a desire to trade with the Blue Jays now than ever before. Clearly AA is in desperation mode. The Rockies got a hell of a return back. Plus they dumped salary. Edited July 28, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It would be luck if the the return reshape do the franchise. I'm honestly more leaning towards trying to make a big deal for Puig or CarGo then trading Shark as of this minute. That could change tonight if he goes out and pitches a clunker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) I'm not suggesting that it is impossible for them to beat any good teams. What I'm saying is that this team has been remarkably streaky all season long and for us to now, all of a sudden, decide that we can win 60+% of our games from here on out is irresponsible. This team, to this point in the season, has had a historically bad offense (The Impressively Poor White Sox Offense). I don't think that one impressive offensive weekend against bad teams should change the course of action for this team. I agree with you, however, in our previous streaks we had incredilbe pitching and just squeeked out 1 win victories. This streak we have been hitting. Melky has been hot for a month, but the bottom of our lineup has started driving them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Have you watched Avi play? Yes I have, and he's better than Middlebrooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Because they have to draw the line somewhere with a deadline in just over 76 hours from now. The Sox are teetering on the edge of contending with a viable shot, and not. They'll have a lot more information in 60 hours. on the edge of teetering..... i like your enthusiasm, but they have yet to beat the team in their own division with consistency. this can be a really deceiving chain of events that can happen. hope!!! i not for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I reported something of the same in the last week without the deal contingencies. Hahn and KW have serious differences in the way they want to operate. The moves weren't all Hahn. The Samardzija trade was a long process that Hahn handled but KW loved Samardzija. I don't have the full picture, but I do know that the Melky Cabrera signing was 100% Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn did not want to spend that money on Melky. Interesting. I would love to know what Hahn's plan without KW would have been for this past offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Well you were indeed correct raBBit. I however agree with Dick Allen's points and I was talking about similar things last week. When something goes wrong it's KW's fault. But when it goes right like in the winter meetings it's all Rick Hahn. We really should have almost zero faith in Rick Hahn right now. What he's produced in 3 years hasnt been good. You guys wonder why Kenny said he wanted to get more involved? That would be why. I think he's starting to lose faith. Edited July 28, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Well you were indeed correct raBBit. I however agree with Dick Allen's points and I was talking about similar things last week. When something goes wrong it's KW's fault. But when it goes right like in the winter meetings it's all Rick Hahn. We really should have almost zero faith in Rick Hahn right now. What he's produced in 3 years hasnt been good. You guys wonder why Kenny said he wanted to get more involved? That would be why. I think he's starting to lose faith. This year has certainly been a mess for the most part, but can you really blame Hahn for 2013/2014? When he took over we had the worst farm system in the game and very few assets on the major league team. You can't expect that to turn around in a such a short time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) This year has certainly been a mess for the most part, but can you really blame Hahn for 2013/2014? When he took over we had the worst farm system in the game and very few assets on the major league team. You can't expect that to turn around in a such a short time. Here's the problem. Really going back the only good move(But still up for discussion due to Garcia) is the Peavy trade. The moves he has been trying to make havent exactly worked out. Heck if Kenny wasnt here we might not of had Jose Abreu. That thought is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 55s55 seconds ago #BlueJays still talking with #WhiteSox about Samardzija. He's scheduled to pitch at 7:10 pm ET tonight. https://twitter.com/jonmorosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 55s55 seconds ago #BlueJays still talking with #WhiteSox about Samardzija. He's scheduled to pitch at 7:10 pm ET tonight. https://twitter.com/jonmorosi Yep. Would not surprise me if something happened today. If Jays are being aggressive and want shark, they shouldn't let him pitch tonight for Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) Here's the problem. Really going back the only good move(But still up for discussion due to Garcia) is the Peavy trade. The moves he has been trying to make havent exactly worked out. Heck if Kenny wasnt here we might not of had Jose Abreu. That thought is scary. This is fair, Santiago for Eaton looks like a fair trade for both teams. The Youkilis trade was a nice trade as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) This is fair, Santiago for Eaton looks like a fair trade for both teams. The Youkilis trade was a nice trade as well. Yeah the Santiago-Eaton trade worked out fairly well for both teams. Hopefully the Jays give in and trade for Shark before the game. Who wants to take bets on it? I think he'll still be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:28 AM) Yeah the Santiago-Eaton trade worked out fairly well for both teams. Hopefully the Jays give in and trade for Shark before the game. Who wants to take bets on it? I think he'll still be here. Shark will start tonight getting too late too get EJ in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) Yep. Would not surprise me if something happened today. If Jays are being aggressive and want shark, they shouldn't let him pitch tonight for Sox. Are they getting desperate? I think they will overpay for a pitcher whether its Shark or Ross from SD. Hoping Shark obviously so we can plug in EJ, but I really think we can land one of Norris/Pompey for Shark if Toronto gets desperate enough. QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) Shark will start tonight getting too late too get EJ in town. I have to figure EJ is in Boston just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) I agree with DA's points too and him and I have been beating that drum for a while but I don't agree on your conclusions. How does Rick Hahn not having full control take away from his potential as an executive? He's a modern baseball man. KW is not and frankly acts irrationally for an attempt at a quick win. Besides, there are very few front offices where one guy has full control. The difference between our front office is that there are two guys running it and they are on different ends of the spectrum when it comes to operations. That's a big difference from what you see in Oakland with Beane having Zaidi (now Forst) as his side kick, different than Theo and Jed on the North Side and different than Jon Daniels and Preller before Preller left, Friedman and Zaidi in LA, LaRussa and Stewart in Arizona, and on and on and on. Besides, this type of structure allows for them to both be insulated. What more would you expect from the most loyal org in all of baseball? His potential is being discussed because of the results given so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago AL executive: "As of today I am comfortable saying Price doesn't get traded, and doubtful on Samdardzija" If neither moves SP mkt dims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago AL executive: "As of today I am comfortable saying Price doesn't get traded, and doubtful on Samdardzija" If neither moves SP mkt dims That sounds like some major blowing of smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) That sounds like some major blowing of smoke. If Toronto offers Norris in a package, you cannot say no in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) But how can you attribute those results to him when it's not clear which moves were made/inspired by which executive? Therein lies the insulation in which unfettered loyalty is conceived. That's fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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