BlackSox13 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) i wouldn't want to trade with Bos, the rtn will really not help that much. Yeah, going by the rumors ( Cole Hamels) so far this year Boston seems very reluctant in trading away certain younger players. Players the White Sox would be looking for in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 03:53 AM) Yeah, going by the rumors ( Cole Hamels) so far this year Boston seems very reluctant in trading away certain younger players. Players the White Sox would be looking for in a trade. on the rumors pages, i am kinda of piecing together an idea that many teams really do not want to sacrifice young prospects for a needed player to help in the playoff. that is right now. plus team are really over estimating the value of their players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 06:44 AM) on the rumors pages, i am kinda of piecing together an idea that many teams really do not want to sacrifice young prospects for a needed player to help in the playoff. that is right now. plus team are really over estimating the value of their players. I forget where I said this the other day but more teams are willing to wait for their higher valued prospects to become MLB ready. The cubs would seem to be one example. They have plenty to trade but they realize they need more time to see who sticks, then the players that do not stick could very likely be traded this winter for pitching. I see Boston doing similar things with holding onto certain high level prospects. Both teams are loaded but not likely to make the playoffs so,imo, they are continuing with their respective rebuilds and see where they are at this winter. The ever increasing price of FA is making teams think otherwise about dealing top prospects. That's not to say no team will deal top prospects, just seems like prospects are holding more value in the eyes of some teams. That said. Maybe a team like Boston changes their perspective if a young lefty like Q was on the trade table. They do seem pretty adamant in keeping their best though so who knows? Edit: add the Dodgers to that list as well. Last winter there were reports about the Dodgers saying no to trading top prospects like Joc Pederson etc. Edited June 24, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 07:20 AM) I forget where I said this the other day but more teams are willing to wait for their higher valued prospects to become MLB ready. The cubs would seem to be one example. They have plenty to trade but they realize they need more time to see who sticks, then the players that do not stick could very likely be traded this winter for pitching. I see Boston doing similar things with holding onto certain high level prospects. Both teams are loaded but not likely to make the playoffs so,imo, they are continuing with their respective rebuilds and see where they are at this winter. The ever increasing price of FA is making teams think otherwise about dealing top prospects. That's not to say no team will deal top prospects, just seems like prospects are holding more value in the eyes of some teams. That said. Maybe a team like Boston changes their perspective if a young lefty like Q was on the trade table. They do seem pretty adamant in keeping their best though so who knows? Passan just wrote about this yesterday. They're not going to make wholesale changes, and certainly dont want to dump Ramirez and Sandoval for pennies on the dollar. Betts and Bogaerts are close to untouchable, along with Rodriguez and Swihart. The pitcher they value the most for the moment is Brian Johnson. Unless the White Sox view Rusney Castillo as a future star, there's not a good fit. Yoan Moncada has a disappointing 576 ops in the low minors (roughly 100 abs) so far but they wont trade him this quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) Passan just wrote about this yesterday. They're not going to make wholesale changes, and certainly dont want to dump Ramirez and Sandoval for pennies on the dollar. Betts and Bogaerts are close to untouchable, along with Rodriguez and Swihart. The pitcher they value the most for the moment is Brian Johnson. Unless the White Sox view Rusney Castillo as a future star, there's not a good fit. Yoan Moncada has a disappointing 576 ops in the low minors (roughly 100 abs) so far but they wont trade him this quickly. Do you have a link to the article? Would like to read his take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) I forget where I said this the other day but more teams are willing to wait for their higher valued prospects to become MLB ready. The cubs would seem to be one example. They have plenty to trade but they realize they need more time to see who sticks, then the players that do not stick could very likely be traded this winter for pitching. I see Boston doing similar things with holding onto certain high level prospects. Both teams are loaded but not likely to make the playoffs so,imo, they are continuing with their respective rebuilds and see where they are at this winter. The ever increasing price of FA is making teams think otherwise about dealing top prospects. That's not to say no team will deal top prospects, just seems like prospects are holding more value in the eyes of some teams. That said. Maybe a team like Boston changes their perspective if a young lefty like Q was on the trade table. They do seem pretty adamant in keeping their best though so who knows? Edit: add the Dodgers to that list as well. Last winter there were reports about the Dodgers saying no to trading top prospects like Joc Pederson etc. interesting, i am seeing Hou bringing up players and see if they stick like gallo. now they brought up another pitcher. position that they need to address. i see that with bos, but tor.... they are hose. all they have are pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 05:41 PM) for eaton, i think that it is that 2yr jinx that always reels its ugly head. It's the defense I'm much more worried about. It's really the horrendous April that's making his offensive numbers look bad. He hasn't been great in May or June necessarily but an OPS of .727 and .750 are a lot closer to what he was last year. However, it doesn't matter if his offense rebounds if his defense continues to be horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) It's the defense I'm much more worried about. It's really the horrendous April that's making his offensive numbers look bad. He hasn't been great in May or June necessarily but an OPS of .727 and .750 are a lot closer to what he was last year. However, it doesn't matter if his offense rebounds if his defense continues to be horrible. well i can deal with the lack of defense, if he brings up his avg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Gracious, more declining veterans again? Too bad we didn't load up for Matt Kemp last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 A reasonable comp with Samardzija is Garza 2 years ago. The Cubs received: Olt - top 50 prospect, but in serious decline Grimm - a 5th starter type Edwards - close to top 100 pitcher, but a bullpen guy Ramirez - another promising young pitcher At the time, the Cubs fans claimed it to be some massive haul, although it never looked like it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/washing...al-notes-062415 Ken Rosenthal still saying astros interested in shark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 07:16 AM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/washing...al-notes-062415 Ken Rosenthal still saying astros interested in shark. Appel, Phillips and Nottingham for Samardzija. Would the Astros do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Appel, Phillips and Nottingham for Samardzija. Would the Astros do it? No, we're not going to get that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Didn't the Cubs get an incredible offer from Atlanta for Ryan Dempster, but Dempster used his "no trade clause" to stop the deal? If Shark continues to pitch well, I expect a very nice package of prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 07:16 AM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/washing...al-notes-062415 Ken Rosenthal still saying astros interested in shark. I'd love to deal with Houston. So much depth that even if we don't get their top guys, we can still get a great return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 07:42 AM) Do you have a link to the article? Would like to read his take on it. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees--t...-043408970.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) Appel, Phillips and Nottingham for Samardzija. Would the Astros do it? How about JD Davis, Nottingham, and AJ Reed for Shark. I was just looking at their prospects. Moran and Stassi have been bad. Jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Knowing the White Sox, a package will contain some combination of 3 things: 3B, C, and SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 09:13 AM) Knowing the White Sox, a package will contain some combination of 3 things: 3B, C, and SP. For sure. Their top guys are Max Stassi © and Colin Moran (3B). They are both putting up .OPS around .600 though. Moran was a former top 5 pick and Stassi was highly regarded but they've been pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 "The Astros, Rosenthal says, are eyeing Samardzija and other pitchers, but the White Sox are not yet ready to sell" I really hope this is posturing, because there is no way in hell they have a shot at the postseason. If I am putting together a package with them, Im trying to nab 2 of Phillips, Reed, and Fisher or seeing if they would move Santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 08:34 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees--t...-043408970.html Thanks Caulfield. Lots of interesting stuff in that article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) Appel, Phillips and Nottingham for Samardzija. Would the Astros do it? QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) No, we're not going to get that much. Am I missing something or does Appel look like a bust? I'd think they'd trade him ahead of McCullers and Velazquez at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 09:53 AM) Am I missing something or does Appel look like a bust? I'd think they'd trade him ahead of McCullers and Velazquez at least. Yeah, Appel's value is down. I just don't think half a year of the version of Samardzija that looks like a 3-4 starter is worth much at all. But, with Cueto now maybe looking injured and the Kazmir now maybe looking less available, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) Yeah, Appel's value is down. I just don't think half a year of the version of Samardzija that looks like a 3-4 starter is worth much at all. But, with Cueto now maybe looking injured and the Kazmir now maybe looking less available, who knows? I agree. I would trade Shark for Appel immediately before Houston changed their minds. If they want Shark to come back, the Sox will have the same shot as they do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'd trade Shark for Appel if they can't go on a sweet run and to .500 and a few games out by the deadline. If they decide they want to try and sign Jeff in the offseason, they can. Hell they can discuss it right now like Hammel certainly did with the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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