2015 MLB Draft Thread - Discussion - DAY TWO

[southsider2k5]

then remember this debate of BPA for next yr discussion. when the discussion comes around on getting or not getting the BPA.

 

People need to understand that the process has changed and is still evolving. The last CBA completely overhauled everything that used to be true about the draft. The idea of BPA is completely gone in the MLB draft. The concepts of signability and fitting a guy into your caps as you spend on others is now everything. Getting a guy to agree to cheap terms ahead of time so you can use his slot money on a higher rated player in another area becomes more important.

 

If a team were to literally draft BPA for the first 10 rounds, they wouldn't be able to sign most of them and it would look a lot like Houston's draft disaster from last year. The dominos of having one player out of place when it comes to signing can destroy everything else.

 

No other sport is like this.

 

As a baseball fan you are best served to just forget the phrase "Best Player Available" when it comes to the draft. It is as dead as the 4 man rotation and 150 pitch outings.

[LDF]

People need to understand that the process has changed and is still evolving. The last CBA completely overhauled everything that used to be true about the draft. The idea of BPA is completely gone in the MLB draft. The concepts of signability and fitting a guy into your caps as you spend on others is now everything. Getting a guy to agree to cheap terms ahead of time so you can use his slot money on a higher rated player in another area becomes more important.

 

If a team were to literally draft BPA for the first 10 rounds, they wouldn't be able to sign most of them and it would look a lot like Houston's draft disaster from last year. The dominos of having one player out of place when it comes to signing can destroy everything else.

 

No other sport is like this.

 

As a baseball fan you are best served to just forget the phrase "Best Player Available" when it comes to the draft. It is as dead as the 4 man rotation and 150 pitch outings.

 

this was a discussion a couple of weeks ago when someone mention, "you always draft the BPA instead of need or anything else". also the philosophy of "BPA is the right way to run the org".

 

so answer me this, when this whole term change???

[Quin]

The operative word there is "available"

 

Someone may be available to be drafted, but not likely to be signed. They ultimately aren't available.

[southsider2k5]

This is the White Sox draft slots. The combined bonuses awarded to the players drafted in these slots, plus any bonuses over 100k in rounds 11-40 cannot exceed the total figure on the bottom of $5,347,500. At $5,347,501, penalties start kicking in. If the total is 5% over $5,347,500, we lose a draft pick. The penalties get worse at 10% over your allotment.

 

Rd 1 $3,470,600

Rd 4 $508,000

Rd 5 $380,400

Rd 6 $284,800

Rd 7 $213,400

Rd 8 $174,800

Rd 9 $163,200

Rd 10 $152,300

 

Total $5,347,500

 

Here is why you can't just draft BPA anymore. Round 1, best player available wants a $5 million bonus. Guess what, if you sign him, you only have $347,500 to sign all of your picks in rounds 2-10, or face the draft penalties. If your next picks gets a $2 million bonus, not only are you paying A 100% TAX on everything over your allotment, you also forfeit your next TWO first round picks. See penalties below.

 

Any team that exceeds its pool by 0 to 5% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 5% but less than 10% must pay a 75% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 10% but less than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND loses a first round draft pick next year AND loses a second round draft pick next year. Any team that exceeds its pool by more than 15% must pay a 100% tax on the amount of the overage AND lose a first round draft pick in each of the next TWO drafts.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2...-penalties-etc/

[Y2Jimmy0]

this was a discussion a couple of weeks ago when someone mention, "you always draft the BPA instead of need or anything else". also the philosophy of "BPA is the right way to run the org".

 

so answer me this, when this whole term change???

 

 

This was in regards to the 1st round. For example, the Sox wouldn't reach for Chris Betts at #8 because their major league team has a hole at catcher. That's all that was being said. You stack your board if you are picking in the top 10 and take the best guy regardless of position. As you get later in the draft though that changes.

[LDF]

The operative word there is "available"

 

Someone may be available to be drafted, but not likely to be signed. They ultimately aren't available.

 

that is, by definition semantic. at the time, there were no contingency, no reason for other priority when making the selection other than BPA.

 

this definition is changing to suit other people reasoning. even yesterday, you mention BPA and you felt as you didn't need to add any parameters there as a suffix.

[LDF]

This is the White Sox draft slots. The combined bonuses awarded to the players drafted in these slots, plus any bonuses over 100k in rounds 11-40 cannot exceed the total figure on the bottom of $5,347,500. At $5,347,501, penalties start kicking in. If the total is 5% over $5,347,500, we lose a draft pick. The penalties get worse at 10% over your allotment.

 

Rd 1 $3,470,600

Rd 4 $508,000

Rd 5 $380,400

Rd 6 $284,800

Rd 7 $213,400

Rd 8 $174,800

Rd 9 $163,200

Rd 10 $152,300

 

Total $5,347,500

 

Here is why you can't just draft BPA anymore. Round 1, best player available wants a $5 million bonus. Guess what, if you sign him, you only have $347,500 to sign all of your picks in rounds 2-10, or face the draft penalties. If your next picks gets a $2 million bonus, not only are you paying A 100% TAX on everything over your allotment, you also forfeit your next TWO first round picks. See penalties below.

 

 

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/06/05/2...-penalties-etc/

 

thanks for adding the break down on the pool money.

[Quin]

that is, by definition semantic. at the time, there were no contingency, no reason for other priority when making the selection other than BPA.

 

this definition is changing to suit other people reasoning. even yesterday, you mention BPA and you felt as you didn't need to add any parameters there as a suffix.

 

Yesterday I said there is "BPA" and "signable BPA"...which is essentially the same thing I'm saying here.

[LDF]

This was in regards to the 1st round. For example, the Sox wouldn't reach for Chris Betts at #8 because their major league team has a hole at catcher. That's all that was being said. You stack your board if you are picking in the top 10 and take the best guy regardless of position. As you get later in the draft though that changes.

 

if you say so.

[harfman77]

Why did Hickman fall so far?

 

He faded down the stretch a bit as this was his first full season pitching.

[3GamesToLove]

As above, so below: the Sox draft room TV is one of the smallest in the majors...sound a bit familiar?

Edited June 10, 2015 by 3GamesToLove

[LDF]

Yesterday I said there is "BPA" and "signable BPA"...which is essentially the same thing I'm saying here.

 

no look further back in the thread. you mention the best player available. then when we were discussing it, you later came back to further define your position.

 

either way, this was yesterday.

[LDF]

He faded down the stretch a bit as this was his first full season pitching.

 

does anyone knows if he will be a RP or a SP in the sox org.

[Y2Jimmy0]

does anyone knows if he will be a RP or a SP in the sox org.

 

 

HIckman will probably start but I think his major league future is as a RP

[LDF]

As above, so below: the Sox draft room TV is one of the smallest in the majors...sound a bit familiar?

 

it almost looks as the same size of the cardinals.

 

at least they upgraded the phone systems from soup cans and string the roto phone.

[LDF]

HIckman will probably start but I think his major league future is as a RP

 

when it comes to this side of the org, pitching, i really trust the sox org and coop.

[harfman77]

HIckman will probably start but I think his major league future is as a RP

 

The Sox tend to have guys start until they prove they can't, even guys that they feel will end up in the bullpen eventually. I think he had a bit of dead arm from throwing more this season. The pro is that there are not a lot of miles on the arm for a college pitcher, but it is going to take some time to build up that arm strength to start in pro baseball.

[Balta1701]

this was a discussion a couple of weeks ago when someone mention, "you always draft the BPA instead of need or anything else". also the philosophy of "BPA is the right way to run the org".

 

so answer me this, when this whole term change???

That is with respect to the first round pick. I'm still generally ok with that philosophy.

[southsider2k5]

does anyone knows if he will be a RP or a SP in the sox org.

 

The typical Sox MO is to bring guys in as a starter, and if they don't make it, convert them back to RP. They did it with both Addison Reed and Nate Jones.

[Balta1701]

The typical Sox MO is to bring guys in as a starter, and if they don't make it, convert them back to RP. They did it with both Addison Reed and Nate Jones.

This one is untrue, Addy was the one guy we drafted highly as a closer and kept in that role. He made 2 starts in his entire time in the minors with the sox, both at Great Falls.