southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) That would be ridiculous, but a big fine and loss of several top draft picks seems to be a decent starting point. I don't know what is more stupid. Hacking into their system or getting caught. I wonder if that information doesn't get leaked last year, if no one ever knows the hack even happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:17 PM) I wonder if that information doesn't get leaked last year, if no one ever knows the hack even happened. I would say no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Nathaniel Grow @NathanielGrow Any potential fine of St.L. is limited by MLB's Constitution. The Commissioner may only fine a team up to $2 million: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:38 PM) Nathaniel Grow @NathanielGrow Any potential fine of St.L. is limited by MLB's Constitution. The Commissioner may only fine a team up to $2 million: I would expect heavy draft repercussions then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) That would be ridiculous, but a big fine and loss of several top draft picks seems to be a decent starting point. I don't know what is more stupid. Hacking into their system or getting caught. I think heavy fine, loss draft picks, big suspensions for front office people at a minimum (potentially barring ability to sign international players for period of time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) I would expect heavy draft repercussions then. I agree, but I think technically the CBA doesn't allow for a team to be stripped of draft picks. I think it has something to do with fact that if you pull their first round pick, that is money that doesn't make its way to that player (essentially 1 1st round pick goes away). All that said, I'd think you could figure out a way to make it work with the slotting just being adjusted accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 My guess is $2M fine, banned from the competitive balance picks (which were always a joke), and a few more things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I have to imagine that STL forfeiting picks to HOU has to be on the table as some point since it was their information that was splashed everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) I have to imagine that STL forfeiting picks to HOU has to be on the table as some point since it was their information that was splashed everywhere. That is pretty unfair to the rest of the league though. But if it turns out that higher ups in the Cardinals organization knew about this the $2 million dollar fine doesn't come close to cutting it and there has to be severe penalties that impact the Cardinals organization from a competitive standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-real-thre...-191525747.html Jeff Passan on the situation... http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/06/16/astros-ca...-ground-control Better take with more background information. But here’s what is so fascinating and new about someone breaking into the data base of the Astros: The motivation seems based more on causing public embarrassment to Houston general manager and former Cardinals executive Jeff Luhnow than on gaining any competitive leverage. It’s one thing to steal information. It’s quite another to leak that information and share it with the world, as was done last year, rather than use it surreptitiously. “The motivation, especially having the information published, seems to have been to embarrass him,” said a source familiar with the investigation. Said one baseball source not familiar with the investigation, “There are people with the Cardinals who think Luhnow took credit for a lot of the things St. Louis has been doing for years. It wouldn’t be surprising that any chance they would have to embarrass him, they would take it.” http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/06/16/cardinals-astros-hacking Edited June 16, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) oh man, this is going to open a can of worms and i wouldn't be surprise if there would be something in the new CBA. the mlb has a limited recourse. 2 mil and i really can't see anything else. again i am not a lawyer or anything. the things is, if it is not listed in the books, mlb exec can not add it and expect to punish then. there will be some jail time coming, this is a Class B felony and the federal law enforcement agency are involve, if they suspect someone, then the feds are going to apply pressure. btw, if convicted, up to 20 yrs in jail for those who were part of or had knowledge of the crime. if it is based on the Terrorist act, this is mandatory time, no prorole. when this starts, there is no stopping or turning back. you can probably expect life banned. then there will be a slew of civil actions on many fronts. people will be fighting to get some sort of plea bargin. it is going to get real messy. Edited June 16, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 04:39 PM) oh man, this is going to open a can of worms and i wouldn't be surprise if there would be something in the new CBA. the mlb has a limited recourse. 2 mil and i really can't see anything else. again i am not a lawyer or anything. the things is, if it is not listed in the books, mlb exec can not add it and expect to punish then. there will be some jail time coming, this is a Class B felony and the federal law enforcement agency are involve, if they suspect someone, then the feds are going to apply pressure. btw, if convicted, up to 20 yrs in jail for those who were part of or had knowledge of the crime. if it is based on the Terrorist act, this is mandatory time, no prorole. when this starts, there is no stopping or turning back. you can probably expect life banned. then there will be a slew of civil actions on many fronts. people will be fighting to get some sort of plea bargin. it is going to get real messy. How could it be connected to Terrorism or the Patriot Act? I think that's a bit of a stretch, expecting front office execs to be sent to Gitmo. It might be scaring some of the higher ups though, that the particular individuals involved will argue that DeWitt, LaRussa/Matheny and Mozeliak all knew about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:42 PM) How could it be connected to Terrorism or the Patriot Act? I think that's a bit of a stretch, expecting front office execs to be sent to Gitmo. It might be scaring some of the higher ups though, that the particular individuals involved will argue that DeWitt, LaRussa/Matheny and Mozeliak all knew about this. that will be up to the judge, i did not make the laws. it is how the powers to be see it. remember this, this is still relatively a new area of concerns with no gray areas for interpretation. btw, i did not make up the Terrorist act. it is a legal definition on this kind of crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 05:08 PM) That is pretty unfair to the rest of the league though. But if it turns out that higher ups in the Cardinals organization knew about this the $2 million dollar fine doesn't come close to cutting it and there has to be severe penalties that impact the Cardinals organization from a competitive standpoint. It wasn't fair to Houston to have their proprietary information leaked to the entire league either. It did them more damage then anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe...75083e87ee.html Perspective from a St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist. You can't spell Best Fans in Baseball (BFIB) without FBI!!! http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/h...f3436ced5b.html Reactions, including commentary from Bob Costas (who of course thinks it will turn out to be benign rather than damning) One person briefed on the case told the Chronicle that four to five individuals within the Cardinals organization are a focus of investigators, and multiple sources said the FBI is expected to complete its investigation soon. "In this case, you're dealing with America's game," (Richard) Garcia (former agent in charge of Houston FBI office) said. "It could be pretty intense." Sheryl Falk, a partner in the Houston office of the law firm Winston & Strawn who has handled cases involving digital evidence and computer forensics, said the hacking could constitute a violation of the 1986 federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a criminal offense to access a computer without authorization or to exceed authorized access to obtain information from a computer that is used in or affects interstate commerce or communications. Possible criminal penalties, she said, are a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years if the offense was committed for commercial advantage or in furtherance of criminal activity or if the value of the information exceeded $5,000. A person suffering damages or loss through such violations also can sue for civil damages. "This would be a clear case of corporate espionage," Falk said. "You usually see this from nation/state actors." http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/ast...sin-6331687.php Breach Into Astros' Data May Be A Cardinal Sin Edited June 17, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 nice work in gather this new info. with re to my point, here are some links i look at this morning. Computer crimes can commonly be referred to as “cyber” crimes, and include: ~ Interference with another person’s computer access or use ~ Use of a computer in a scheme to defraud ~ Use of encryption in aid of a crime ~ Improper access to a computer, system, or network ~ Improper use, copy, modification, damage, or disclosure, of programs or data ~ Introduction of a virus or other contaminant into a computer system or network ~ Falsification of e-mail source information ~ Theft of information service from a provider Depending on the purpose of the offense, a computer crime conviction anywhere from six months to 20 years in prison and fines of up to $10,000. To help protect yourself against computer crime, be sure to keep sensitive data like passwords, bank account codes, and social security numbers as private as possible, and install quality antivirus software on your own computer. Jail or prison. A person convicted of certain internet or computer crimes may also face a jail or prison sentence. The most serious crimes, such as possessing child pornography, can result in a prison sentence of 20 years or more. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime...uter-crimes.htm Someone who hacks into another person's computer could be punished by a number of different crimes, depending on the circumstances. The law punishes hacking under the computer crime statutes. These crimes carry penalties ranging from a class B misdemeanor (punishable by up to six months in prison, a fine of up to $1,000, or both) to a class B felony (punishable by up to 20 years in prison, a fine of up to $15,000, or both). The law also punishes unauthorized access to a computer or computer network, with penalties ranging from a class B misdemeanor to a class D felony (punishable by up to five years in prison, a fine of up to $5,000, or both). http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0254.htm bottom line the way this will be judge, to my precipitation is it will be up to the law enforcement agency and the DA. again i am not a lawyer or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:40 AM) nice work in gather this new info. with re to my point, here are some links i look at this morning. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime...uter-crimes.htm http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0254.htm bottom line the way this will be judge, to my precipitation is it will be up to the law enforcement agency and the DA. again i am not a lawyer or anything. This case is even more complicated because of the involvement of the FBI, interstate commerce (actually, international, because you're talking about financial transactions affecting players in Latin America, Asia, Canada, etc.) and the Sherman Anti-Trust exemption for baseball's "monopoly" as the national pastime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Cardinals are obviously way in the wrong here but the way it happened is comical. Change your passwords you idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) The Cardinals are obviously way in the wrong here but the way it happened is comical. Change your passwords you idiot. Deadspin has a good article detailing how everyone involved is an idiot. http://deadspin.com/everyone-involved-in-t...seem-1711682201 Whoever dropped this stuff into anonbin is the biggest idiot of all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015...all-devil-magic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Ban them from the postseason forever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) This case is even more complicated because of the involvement of the FBI, interstate commerce (actually, international, because you're talking about financial transactions affecting players in Latin America, Asia, Canada, etc.) and the Sherman Anti-Trust exemption for baseball's "monopoly" as the national pastime. excellent point that is what i have been hedging on. obvious you nailed on the head, i just couldn't think of a way to put it. there is a whole set of rammificatins that we, as fans will not be able to imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) I think heavy fine, loss draft picks, big suspensions for front office people at a minimum (potentially barring ability to sign international players for period of time). I would think anyone involved is probably done in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) I would think anyone involved is probably done in baseball. I agree, those directly involved banned, but I'd also think heavy suspensions for those overseeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) I agree, those directly involved banned, but I'd also think heavy suspensions for those overseeing. that is only the starter from the mlb baseball side. me thinketh this is only the beginning. talk about the black sox scandal kind of scandal. but seriously.... are they really that dump that they thought they could get away with it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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