Buehrle>Wood Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Noesi? Flowers? Parent? Steverson? Robin? Buddy Bell? ....Chris Sale? Surely something to make sure everyone else knows that this isn't okay, and they aren't safe either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Easy the manager. This team is lifeless right now. Right now they are playing like s*** and nothing is happening to him. Hahn needs to get rid of Robin and get more involved. Edited June 17, 2015 by Baron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Who cares? They are this bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Is Hahn going to kick the clubhouse door open and then blow Melky's brains out of something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Orioles had EIGHT homers, just tonight. How many games back to you have to go for 8 TOTAL homers with the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (ron883 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) Is Hahn going to kick the clubhouse door open and then blow Melky's brains out of something? Well, that would definitely take some of the FBI heat off DeWitt, Mozeliak and LaRussa. If they found out LaRussa was behind it, could they retroactively strip his Hall of Fame pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Who cares? They are this bad. No they aren't, but they're in the process of digging themselves a hole that will be nearly impossible to get out of. Change is needed immedietely to have even a remote chance of saving this disaster of a season. I say DFA Flowers & Noesi, option Sanchez to AAA, & fire Steverson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Flowers. Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 02:58 AM) Easy the manager. This team is lifeless right now. Right now they are playing like s*** and nothing is happening to him. Hahn needs to get rid of Robin and get more involved. I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 02:58 AM) Easy the manager. This team is lifeless right now. Right now they are playing like s*** and nothing is happening to him. Hahn needs to get rid of Robin and get more involved. I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:09 PM) I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep. I'm the last person that will give him a pass. Especially if we become sellers. But he needs to do something to fix it. Right now it doesnt seem like the players realize they have a manager or an authority figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Unless KW is fired nothing will change even with RV gone. KW is head of the snake that needs to be cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Noesi would be my first guess. Bonifacio would be my next guess. For a real statement, get rid of Flowers and see how Sale reacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:14 PM) Unless KW is fired nothing will change even with RV gone. KW is head of the snake that needs to be cut off. Not really. It goes all the way to the top. KW isn't the source of the "good ship lollipop" environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:56 PM) Noesi? Flowers? Parent? Steverson? Robin? Buddy Bell? ....Chris Sale? Surely something to make sure everyone else knows that this isn't okay, and they aren't safe either. No. They need to make an example out of everyone. They need to clean house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 No one is going to get fired until after the season and it will be the hitting coach.. and things will move on like normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Sure, they could send Flowers or Sanchez to the minors, bench Cabrera or Ramirez. All that does is put another bad player in the lineup. Obviously, they are pretty much underachieving on offense across the board, but it shouldn't be completely surprising that the bottom of the order with 3B, C, and 2B all question marks to open the season are horrendous. It's more of a surprise that pretty much everyone else in the lineup has either been mediocre or flat out bad. Point is, bench guys, send some to the minors, I don't think that fixes the larger issue of bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:38 PM) No one is going to get fired until after the season and it will be the hitting coach.. and things will move on like normal. And this is why the organization has turned into crap. No direction and a lack of accountability. I'm beyond frustrated with this piss poor play. dj even called out Eaton and Alexei during the radio call today saying they look extremely sloppy and their approach is awful. If Hahn doesn't do something soon, I will question him as a GM. Who the hell is in charge here? Edited June 17, 2015 by GreatScott82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 07:28 PM) No. They need to make an example out of everyone. They need to clean house. I agree. There is so much wrong that "making an example of someone" isn't going to accomplish squat. They need a new manager and coaching staff and a boatload of new players. Get it started Hahn because fans are getting disinterested by the droves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 This was mentioned in another thread but release Noesi, Danks to the pen after tomorrow's start and call up Johnson. I have no idea what to do about the offense. I'm not against the idea of Davidson getting called up. At this point, I'd consider calling up Trayce Thompson who at least would give the Sox better defense in CF and surprisingly his bat has been better than expected at Charlotte. This offense has switched from suck to blow. A little shake up could not hurt the team any more than its already suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 It was said after the 0-4 start and remains . This team was not ready to start the season and remains behind in simple fundamentals. The hitting approach is that of a little league team, swing at the first close pitch. Hawk in the first game of the season told us Vince Coleman was going to make a difference....no person in America is worse at their job than Vince Coleman. This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Rick Hahn is not the answer. All the glaring weaknesses were there to be seen four games into the season when Tommy Millone aced the sox that day. It has just stayed the same. This team is fundamentally terrible and stupid.....from the top down. Ventura should have been after yesterday, nobody would have known or cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I've never been the "fire the manager" guy and I don't think terrible players playing terribly and better players having bad years is a manager's fault. I think the writing is on the wall here though. The problem is it shouldn't be just Robin. There's not really anyone on his staff that I would want to take over for the rest of the season. I like Rick Hahn as the architect of this team moving forward and I'm pretty sure Kenny isn't going anywhere. If they switch managers, they need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I know it's fresh and at the top of mind but I'd love Bud Black as the White Sox manager. I think this would mean that Cooper goes but I'd be fine with that. They haven't made the playoffs since 2008. I held out hope that they'd get back into this thing but it's past 60 games and June 15th which are my assessment points. At this point, if you could guarantee me a top 5 pick I'd take it. This team really doesn't have much to sell. I think if you get a deal better than a (very valuable) 2016 1st rounder, you consider making it for Shark. That 1st rounder is enticing though. You probably can't get much for Ramirez but I'd probably sell low to clear the $$. I'm obviously not a GM but once they start making moves towards next year there a few guys I'd like to see. Gillaspie, Flowers, and Noesi would not be on my baseball team. Danks would be in the bullpen until Shark moves. I'd go with Rodon, Sale, Q, and Erik Johnson in the rotation. I'd play Matt Davidson at 3B, Micah Johnson at 2B, and Kevan Smith at C. They may all be terrible, but it can't be much worse and I need to see what they have. Most of this is a pipe dream and it won't happen but at least there'd be interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 11:12 PM) I've never been the "fire the manager" guy and I don't think terrible players playing terribly and better players having bad years is a manager's fault. I think the writing is on the wall here though. The problem is it shouldn't be just Robin. There's not really anyone on his staff that I would want to take over for the rest of the season. I like Rick Hahn as the architect of this team moving forward and I'm pretty sure Kenny isn't going anywhere. If they switch managers, they need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I know it's fresh and at the top of mind but I'd love Bud Black as the White Sox manager. I think this would mean that Cooper goes but I'd be fine with that. They haven't made the playoffs since 2008. I held out hope that they'd get back into this thing but it's past 60 games and June 15th which are my assessment points. At this point, if you could guarantee me a top 5 pick I'd take it. This team really doesn't have much to sell. I think if you get a deal better than a (very valuable) 2016 1st rounder, you consider making it for Shark. That 1st rounder is enticing though. You probably can't get much for Ramirez but I'd probably sell low to clear the $$. I'm obviously not a GM but once they start making moves towards next year there a few guys I'd like to see. Gillaspie, Flowers, and Noesi would not be on my baseball team. Danks would be in the bullpen until Shark moves. I'd go with Rodon, Sale, Q, and Erik Johnson in the rotation. I'd play Matt Davidson at 3B, Micah Johnson at 2B, and Kevan Smith at C. They may all be terrible, but it can't be much worse and I need to see what they have. Most of this is a pipe dream and it won't happen but at least there'd be interest. Agreed with all this, I would add Trayce as well though. If this draft is as good as the experts are saying it is, a top 5 pick will be incredibly valuable. If they stink, they stink. If someone shows they can play, you have some options for the offseason then. If the Sox don't get a 3B, C, SS, or OF for Samardzija that can start next season, then just take the comp pick and have the extra pool money to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 03:11 AM) I'm the last person that will give him a pass. Especially if we become sellers. But he needs to do something to fix it. Right now it doesnt seem like the players realize they have a manager or an authority figure. I'm not sure if I want him "fixing it". I'm sorry but his tenure as a GM hasn't been filled a bunch of great moves that would make me think he's the guy for the job. He signed Abreu, he traded for Eaton, but with the way Santiago has pitched this season, the trade is 50/50 at best. He got good extensions done for Sale and Quintana. He traded for Avi who has been okay, while only giving up Peavy. On the other end of the coin, he signed Keppinger, laRoche, Melky, traded for Shark, got nothing for Addison Reed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) Agreed with all this, I would add Trayce as well though. If this draft is as good as the experts are saying it is, a top 5 pick will be incredibly valuable. If they stink, they stink. If someone shows they can play, you have some options for the offseason then. If the Sox don't get a 3B, C, SS, or OF for Samardzija that can start next season, then just take the comp pick and have the extra pool money to work with. Who are you guys planning to sit in the OF? Cabrera? Eaton? Trade LaRoche and move Avi to DH/1B? Edited June 17, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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