Should the Sox make an example out of someone?

[Dunt]

Who are you guys planning to sit in the OF?

 

Cabrera? Eaton? Trade LaRoche and move Avi to DH/1B?

 

Ultimately, I think a lot of teams could use LaRoche as they push for the playoffs and let's be serious, Avi has no business in the outfield.

[LDF]

I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep.

 

b/c at the end of the day, KW was more involve in the managing of the team, as the real gm, plus the decision on keeping or the selections of all the coaches as well.

Edited June 17, 2015 by LDF

[LDF]

I'm the last person that will give him a pass. Especially if we become sellers. But he needs to do something to fix it. Right now it doesnt seem like the players realize they have a manager or an authority figure.

 

here is the question, if the players are dialing it in, in other words gave up on listening to the coach, why???

 

first, why did that happen, then address the fix.

Edited June 17, 2015 by LDF

[LDF]

Unless KW is fired nothing will change even with RV gone. KW is head of the snake that needs to be cut off.

 

KW is someone lap dog, but whose.

[Real]

Easy the manager. This team is lifeless right now. Right now they are playing like s*** and nothing is happening to him. Hahn needs to get rid of Robin and get more involved.

 

1. getting rid of robin right now does nothing. trading players who aren't needed (during a much needed rebuilding phase) does a lot.

2. firing a guy who you reached out to, a guy who didn't even ask for the job, is a pretty s***ty thing to do.

honestly I'd think even less of the Sox if they fired this dude. they should've never hired him to begin with,

THAT'S the problem, they're f*cking inept.

[LDF]

1. getting rid of robin right now does nothing. trading players who aren't needed (during a much needed rebuilding phase) does a lot.

2. firing a guy who you reached out to, a guy who didn't even ask for the job, is a pretty s***ty thing to do.

honestly I'd think even less of the Sox if they fired this dude. they should've never hired him to begin with,

THAT'S the problem, they're f*cking inept.

 

it was a nice, idea, maybe a good idea of promoting from within the ranks.....

 

btw, great post.

[greg775]

I agree. There is so much wrong that "making an example of someone" isn't going to accomplish squat. They need a new manager and coaching staff and a boatload of new players. Get it started Hahn because fans are getting disinterested by the droves.

I like your phrase "boatload of new players." That is the flat-out truth!

 

It was said after the 0-4 start and remains .

 

This team was not ready to start the season and remains behind in simple fundamentals.

 

The hitting approach is that of a little league team, swing at the first close pitch.

 

Hawk in the first game of the season told us Vince Coleman was going to make a difference....no person in America is worse at their job than Vince Coleman.

 

This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Rick Hahn is not the answer.

 

All the glaring weaknesses were there to be seen four games into the season when Tommy Millone aced the sox that day. It has just stayed the same. This team is fundamentally terrible and stupid.....from the top down.

 

Ventura should have been after yesterday, nobody would have known or cared.

This is a great post and should be read on all the talk shows and emailed to Reinsdorf. Why? Cause all this stuff is true. The problem with firing Robin now is I'm convinced Buddy Bell would be interim. I'd rather have Robin, seriously. Look, this team is on track to losing more than 100 games. Start trading players ASAP and see what you've got after it all shakes out.

[kitekrazy]

I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep.

 

I will never, ever, ever, ever, never, believe this. They have the same people running the show. Anyone they bring up that is not a pitcher is often baseball clueless. There are not enough Spring trainings for this organization to work on fundamentals.

 

[kitekrazy]

And this is why the organization has turned into crap. No direction and a lack of accountability. I'm beyond frustrated with this piss poor play. dj even called out Eaton and Alexei during the radio call today saying they look extremely sloppy and their approach is awful. If Hahn doesn't do something soon, I will question him as a GM. Who the hell is in charge here?

 

Hahn doesn't have the freedom like most GMs.

[LDF]

I will never, ever, ever, ever, never, believe this. They have the same people running the show. Anyone they bring up that is not a pitcher is often baseball clueless. There are not enough Spring trainings for this organization to work on fundamentals.

 

plus the rushing of the prospects. they need reps.

[hogan873]

I think something needs to happen...now. The team has no life. The pitching is good only when a few of the guys are out there, and it's not like they don't have the talent. The offense is horrendous. The hitting is non-existent, and the baserunning is atrocious. I'm not sure it would do anything, but firing Ventura should send a message. I've never been the type to say, "Fire the manager!", but something needs to change. There's no accountability for being bad at their jobs right now. We're beyond "a slump". The inability to play decent baseball has spread throughout the whole team.

 

It's embarrassing right now. And until an example is made of someone (multiple someones), the embarrassment will continue.

[caulfield12]

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...t-deal-thursday

 

This is the best we're going to get. Trying to piggyback off the Blackhawks' success by selling fans $15 tickets if they wear their hockey gear to the ticket booth to order for Thursday's game after the parade.

 

I wonder if they'll even get 100? 150? 200?

 

It won't be worth the column space devoted to it.

 

 

If they had wanted to do something really cool, they'd just let all those celebrating fans in for free as a public service. Is the Stanley Cup actually going to be there like it was at Wrigley at least, and some of the players?

Edited June 17, 2015 by caulfield12

[LDF]

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...t-deal-thursday

 

This is the best we're going to get. Trying to piggyback off the Blackhawks' success by selling fans $15 tickets if they wear their hockey gear to the ticket booth to order for Thursday's game after the parade.

 

I wonder if they'll even get 100? 150? 200?

 

It won't be worth the column space devoted to it.

 

 

If they had wanted to do something really cool, they'd just let all those celebrating fans in for free as a public service. Is the Stanley Cup actually going to be there like it was at Wrigley at least, and some of the players?

 

great idea make that a sat family deal.

mon price specials.

sunday - ticket specials for wear an sox jersey of your sox player.

[Harry Chappas]

How buddy bell is still employed is beyond me.

 

There is no marketing in the world that can save this team. They have not scored in the last 25 innings which is not even saying much for this team.

 

What has Hahn really done.......Eaton and Peavy trades are not looking all that promising. Reed trade nope. I want to believe that kw is still guiding things and if so it is time for him to go as well as I never thought he constructed teams all too well. 2005 is becoming a detrament to this organization.

 

This rudderless ship seems to be the way things will be for a while. There is a stink to this organization that is getting worse with the good old boys loyalty network.

 

Thank god David Robertson is in the pen for that one game a week he is needed. He should be a salary dump.

 

[Balta1701]

I'm not sure that I want him more involved. I don't quite understand why everyone is so apt to give Hahn a pass while denigrating KW as an incompetent. I agree with that assessment, but who was his right-hand man all those years? Where is the future? The big league squad is horrible, the farm system is better (compared to what it was), but its still not really having a very good year in terms of seeing prospects elevating their games and improving. The entire franchise needs an overhaul. If that included telling Hahn and KW to go grab a begging cup, I wouldn't lose too much sleep.

FWIW, now that Rodon has been promoted and we traded away pieces from it last year, I'm pretty sure I disagree with the statement the farm system is better. It seems just about as week as it has been pretty much constantly right now.

[caulfield12]

I'd say it's a slight upgrade from 2-3 years ago simply because of Montas, Anderson and Fulmer...and hopefully the 4th/5th round starters or Hickman. Kangari at 1B/DH. Hawkins has a 25% chance of still being an impact player, but it's nothing like 2 years ago. And Micah Johnson, who, not surprisingly, was exposed defensively.

 

 

Things that have gone right:

 

Peavy for Garcia and Montas (although, in retrospect, you could argue Iglesias would be more valuable NOW, he wasn't available because the Tigers needed him THEN and nobody thought he would hit like this)

 

Micker Adolfo, things picking up on the international signing front compared to five years ago

 

Abreu

 

Rodon falling into their laps

 

Eaton for Hector Santiago is about a net wash right now

 

Putnam and Petricka

 

Robertson, although that's far from a bargain contract and you're paying him way too much to close out games for a last place team when Jason Grilli or John Axford or someone of a similar ilk can be picked up from the scrap heap.

 

Health, no major injuries

 

 

Obviously, you have the failures of Viciedo and Beckham, the Davidson fiasco, Eric Johnson going backwards when he was expected to be a rotation mainstay...all the FA moves this offseason which haven't worked out, getting nothing for Sergio Santos, sitting on Alexei Ramirez too long...the accumulation of a bunch of middle infielders but possibly not one impact player among the bunch...the complete fiasco that is the catching position....Keppinger/Downs/Bonifacio and gambling on Paulino....the implosion of Jared Mitchell and Keenyn Walker, as well as Hawkins hitting a wall last year....John Danks and Melky Cabrera really hampering our financial flexibility in 2015 and 2016, the fact that we had to rely so much last few years on Rienzo/Carroll/Noesi/Axelrod/Danks due to the lack of minor league options....injuries to Crain and Nate Jones....Ventura and the coaching staff not taking a step forward in their development. The Samardzija misfire.

Edited June 17, 2015 by caulfield12

[maggsmaggs]

Unless KW is fired nothing will change even with RV gone. KW is head of the snake that needs to be cut off.

Agree wholeheartedly. I think Hahn can be a great GM, but I do not know if we will ever know because he doesn't have all the power. We all know KW still imposes his will and ideas into this organization.

 

Sadly, this feels like a Blackhawks situation where this team will never be back on track until ownership changes.

 

KW has been a terrible GM overall. Buddy Bell is a terrible president of player development. And so on and so forth.

[GreatScott82]

I was actually thinking Hahn was in control, until kW was all over the media outlets during the winter meetings. KW buried this farm system, yet he still has a say in organizational personnel? C'mon Jerry, wake up and get with the times. It's not 2005 anymore. If Hahn is the GM, let him run this whole damn thing. Let Kenny and his lame manager choice, RV go. Let Buddy Bell and the scouting department staff go and bring in guys with a different mindset. Guys who actually know how to scout talent, No more drafting of guys like Jared Mitchell instead of Mike Trout etc.. The fans are pissed, change is being demanded. Throw your loyalty out the window and do what's right for the organization.

 

Hell if you want to model the organization after the Blackhawks, look at some of their moves when Rocky took over. He hired a solid team president who was bold enough to bring in the Bowmans (outside the organization). They eventually let Hawk legend Savard go as the coach and brought in Quinville (outside the organization). Not to mention they promoted Stan Bowman as the GM to replace another longtime Blackhawks guy, Dale Tallon. I know it's comparing apples and oranges but Rocky Wirtz changed the culture of a losing organization by getting rid of loyal old time dudes and brought in amazing hockey minds outside the organization. Jerry needs to suck it up and do the same thing. I mean how much longer do us fans have to suffer from this crap and see Robin, Harold on the bench, see Kenny override Hahn on moves and watch the farm system continue to be on the bottom half of baseball, prospect wise? To be blunt, this organization currently stinks and will for awhile until the culture has changed and the proper moves have been made. Unfortunately, with JR at the helm, those moves will most likely not happen. For that reason, it's time for new ownership to take over.

Edited June 17, 2015 by GreatScott82

[Thad Bosley]

Does anyone have confidence in the three-headed brain trust of Jerry, Kenny, and Rick to turn around the fortunes of this franchise and deliver results unlike those we've seen in the past decade or for most of their 13 years working together?

[Dunt]

Sadly, this feels like a Blackhawks situation where this team will never be back on track until ownership changes.

 

This is by far the scariest part of the whole thing. Jerry seems complacent with winning his 1 world series and has already mentioned he wants the team sold when he dies. That does not sound like an owner that wants to do anything to win.

[Dick Allen]

I was actually thinking Hahn was in control, until kW was all over the media outlets during the winter meetings. KW buried this farm system, yet he still has a say in organizational personnel? C'mon Jerry, wake up and get with the times. It's not 2005 anymore. If Hahn is the GM, let him run this whole damn thing. Let Kenny and his lame manager choice, RV go. Let Buddy Bell and the scouting department staff go and bring in guys with a different mindset. Guys who actually know how to scout talent, No more drafting of guys like Jared Mitchell instead of Mike Trout etc.. The fans are pissed, change is being demanded. Throw your loyalty out the window and do what's right for the organization.

 

Hell if you want to model the organization after the Blackhawks, look at some of their moves when Rocky took over. He hired a solid team president who was bold enough to bring in the Bowmans (outside the organization). They eventually let Hawk legend Savard go as the coach and brought in Quinville (outside the organization). Not to mention they promoted Stan Bowman as the GM to replace another longtime Blackhawks guy, Dale Tallon. I know it's comparing apples and oranges but Rocky Wirtz changed the culture of a losing organization by getting rid of loyal old time dudes and brought in amazing hockey minds outside the organization. Jerry needs to suck it up and do the same thing. I mean how much longer do us fans have to suffer from this crap and see Robin, Harold on the bench, see Kenny override Hahn on moves and watch the farm system continue to be on the bottom half of baseball, prospect wise? To be blunt, this organization currently stinks and will for awhile until the culture has changed and the proper moves have been made. Unfortunately, with JR at the helm, those moves will most likely not happen. For that reason, it's time for new ownership to take over.

Dale Tallon did pretty well building most of the current core.

[LDF]

Dale Tallon did pretty well building most of the current core.

 

i have been trying to type the same blasted thing, but the computer failed.

 

i think Tallon did the main draft of this current team and including bringing in Sharp and Hossa.

[LDF]

Does anyone have confidence in the three-headed brain trust of Jerry, Kenny, and Rick to turn around the fortunes of this franchise and deliver results unlike those we've seen in the past decade or for most of their 13 years working together?

 

it is more like the 2 headed monster with Hahn still outside looking in.

 

it will always be the 2 in my book until we know this is Hahn's show.

[elrockinMT]

They can still turn things around this season. If not there is always next year. Saying that though you know there will be some moves made. I think that the batting and pitching stats put us in the bottom three in at least the AL in both categories. Seems there is plenty of blame to share.

[ChiSox59]

How buddy bell is still employed is beyond me.

 

There is no marketing in the world that can save this team. They have not scored in the last 25 innings which is not even saying much for this team.

 

What has Hahn really done.......Eaton and Peavy trades are not looking all that promising. Reed trade nope. I want to believe that kw is still guiding things and if so it is time for him to go as well as I never thought he constructed teams all too well. 2005 is becoming a detrament to this organization.

 

This rudderless ship seems to be the way things will be for a while. There is a stink to this organization that is getting worse with the good old boys loyalty network.

 

Thank god David Robertson is in the pen for that one game a week he is needed. He should be a salary dump.

 

The bolded parts of your comment are pretty ill-informed. The Sox turned Peavy, a backend of the rotation pitcher, into a a guy who could be in the middle of the Sox order for the next several years. Sure, Avi has struggled the last few weeks, but c'mon man.

 

Eaton has also struggled, but I wouldn't call that trade a failure just yet. Reed? The dude is about to get expensive and isn't even a closer anymore? Hardly a bad trade..hasn't really worked out for either club.

 

Salary dump Robertson? GTFO.