LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 03:57 PM) The bolded parts of your comment are pretty ill-informed. The Sox turned Peavy, a backend of the rotation pitcher, into a a guy who could be in the middle of the Sox order for the next several years. Sure, Avi has struggled the last few weeks, but c'mon man. Eaton has also struggled, but I wouldn't call that trade a failure just yet. Reed? The dude is about to get expensive and isn't even a closer anymore? Hardly a bad trade..hasn't really worked out for either club. Salary dump Robertson? GTFO. let me on the bold, Arz got immediate rtn on reed. while the sox are hoping to see some rtn on davidson. i don't see how you can say it was a good trade. ref ..... Hahn and the draft .... i need to see next yr and how things turn out. so far it is undecided. Edited June 17, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Salary dump Robertson? GTFO. Robertson has had 7 total save opportunities in the last month. Melancon who we faced last night has had 13. Yes he makes Robin's job easier but what's the point of having an expensive top flight closer if you have 7 save opportunities in a month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) I'd say it's a slight upgrade from 2-3 years ago simply because of Montas, Anderson and Fulmer...and hopefully the 4th/5th round starters or Hickman. Kangari at 1B/DH. Hawkins has a 25% chance of still being an impact player, but it's nothing like 2 years ago. And Micah Johnson, who, not surprisingly, was exposed defensively. I'm at the point where I disagree. The White Sox having a terrible system for years didn't mean they didn't produce players, it meant that they'd occasionally produce some (I'm sure you can come up with the list of players we drafted in the last 5 years who made the bigs), it meant that they always had people at lower levels who were intriguing but who would struggle when they came up, it meant that they had no one knocking on the door ready to take spots, it meant that when we drafted someone they automatically became our #1 prospect, it meant when I fill out my top 10 list I put the guy they just drafted at #1 and then want to leave slots 2-5 open because no one really belongs there. If you don't get to count Rodon, we're basically right back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) The bolded parts of your comment are pretty ill-informed. The Sox turned Peavy, a backend of the rotation pitcher, into a a guy who could be in the middle of the Sox order for the next several years. Sure, Avi has struggled the last few weeks, but c'mon man. Eaton has also struggled, but I wouldn't call that trade a failure just yet. Reed? The dude is about to get expensive and isn't even a closer anymore? Hardly a bad trade..hasn't really worked out for either club. Salary dump Robertson? GTFO. Garcia is a low OBP player that cannot play defense. Seems to be ideal for this team. He is 2 for 7 in stolen bases. He is a negative WAR player. Adam Eaton is looking more to be a number nine hitter rather than a leadoff man his current OBP is .302. He is 3 for 7 in stolen bases. He is 0.2 WAR player. What exactly is Robertson going to do for this team? His opportunities are few and far between. The White Sox have one hitter in Abreu and he is a terrible fielder who should be the DH but the White Sox seem to not grasp the concept that defense is important. If they did, they would have grabbed Iglesias in the Peavy deal as he is a defensive wizard and this would have allowed them to spin Ramirez off. Yes this is a hindsite item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) Robertson has had 7 total save opportunities in the last month. Melancon who we faced last night has had 13. Yes he makes Robin's job easier but what's the point of having an expensive top flight closer if you have 7 save opportunities in a month? and if it wasn't for him, the sox could have had 7 more losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) Garcia is a low OBP player that cannot play defense. Seems to be ideal for this team. He is 2 for 7 in stolen bases. He is a negative WAR player. Adam Eaton is looking more to be a number nine hitter rather than a leadoff man his current OBP is .302. He is 3 for 7 in stolen bases. He is 0.2 WAR player. What exactly is Robertson going to do for this team? His opportunities are few and far between. The White Sox have one hitter in Abreu and he is a terrible fielder who should be the DH but the White Sox seem to not grasp the concept that defense is important. If they did, they would have grabbed Iglesias in the Peavy deal as he is a defensive wizard and this would have allowed them to spin Ramirez off. Yes this is a hindsite item. the offensive stat for the team are really skewed this yr, b/c of the horrible season this team is in. this teams needs a redo in the fans opinions when the season if over and changes are made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) and if it wasn't for him, the sox could have had 7 more losses. So what? Seriously what's the difference? Why is it a big deal that we're only 7 games under .500 instead of 10 or 12? If we could get something by moving him and free up the salary, it's not like "big money closers" are never available as free agents and it's not like Robertson isn't replaceable next year or the next time we do an all-in season. By the way, 2 of those save opportunities were blown against Torotno, so we could only have 5 more losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Robertson has had 7 total save opportunities in the last month. Melancon who we faced last night has had 13. Yes he makes Robin's job easier but what's the point of having an expensive top flight closer if you have 7 save opportunities in a month? There isn't on this team. But no need to salary dump him either. It was a premature signing, in retrospect, but at least he's pitching well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) So what? Seriously what's the difference? Why is it a big deal that we're only 7 games under .500 instead of 10 or 12? If we could get something by moving him and free up the salary, it's not like "big money closers" are never available as free agents and it's not like Robertson isn't replaceable next year or the next time we do an all-in season. By the way, 2 of those save opportunities were blown against Torotno, so we could only have 5 more losses. oh now i understand the direction you are taking. i was lost. but if this was trading, then why not jose a. i think Robertson is as much as untouchable as Sale and Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) There isn't on this team. But no need to salary dump him either. It was a premature signing, in retrospect, but at least he's pitching well. Well no, there's no need for a full "Salary dump", I wouldn't trade him unless I got something useful back in return for him (unless their financials are looking worse for next year than I would guess they are). However, I would absolutely be up for moving him if I could get a positive contributing player back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) Well no, there's no need for a full "Salary dump", I wouldn't trade him unless I got something useful back in return for him (unless their financials are looking worse for next year than I would guess they are). However, I would absolutely be up for moving him if I could get a positive contributing player back. Agree - he should be on the block. The problem will be 4 year contract, so I just don't see the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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