Flash Tizzle Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) We both had the same idea yesterday. I agree with this. For plans such as those to matetialize, we need another embarrassing loss. I know how people react to such comments, but tonight for example, what is benefited from a win? Changes need to be forced with any team, especially ours; and any start from here on out Danks craps the bed is preferable. Nothing is going to change otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 shut up rick. you're an embarrassment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Looked pretty solid on paper, no? Looked like some good progress in only 2 offseasons. Sucks it aint working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 01:08 AM) shut up rick. you're an embarrassment He needs to either make moves to switch up the personnel or he needs to be replaced. This team is terrible and seemingly getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:38 PM) For plans such as those to matetialize, we need another embarrassing loss. I know how people react to such comments, but tonight for example, what is benefited from a win? Changes need to be forced with any team, especially ours; and any start from here on out Danks craps the bed is preferable. Nothing is going to change otherwise Now you just jinxed Danks to get the infamous "quality start." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 7m7 minutes ago Chicago, IL Rick Hahn: "We're all in this together. ... We're accountable together." #WhiteSox Hahn: "There does come a point you can only look at the back of a baseball card for so long." Hahn: "It's getting to the point where it's not early anymore." #WhiteSox Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan 7m7 minutes ago Hahn's view on Ventura hasn't changed. Remains supportive. "We're all in this together." RIck Hahn: "frustration level high but organization believes in this team." Scot Gregor @scotgregor 8m8 minutes ago #WhiteSox GM Rick Hahn says he might have roster moves in mind but not giving timetable Sounds like a bunch of nuttin' from our meatball management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Great keep the clown show going. Shows how much these guys care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Yes this is definitely because the guys don't care. They havent shown it. They've made zero changes and/or seem at all concerned about the state of the club. They arent going to win anyone's approval by blowing smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 It's time to shake things up NOW Otherwise this season is over.. it already is probably too late. What a joke of an organization that past 3-5 years. It started before ventura got here but the feces is really over flowing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) If I were to guess, teams have been calling on Shark, Alexei, Duke, Putnam, Petricka, and Robertson. Yes on all except Putnam and Petricka. Who the hell would want them?? They are bodies, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:46 PM) It's time to shake things up NOW Otherwise this season is over.. it already is probably too late. What a joke of an organization that past 3-5 years. It started before ventura got here but the feces is really over flowing now. Hiring Ventura was certainly a symptom of the disease, that's clear in retrospect. Goes deeper than him. I'd like to think KW is the problem, but then again Hahn is his buddy and protege and as long as JR is around... Just a disheartening f***ing situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) The one thing KW is good at is bellicose bluster, which is at least symbolically helpful. When Hahn speaks, it's more like he's explaining the advantages of a merger between Netflix and Alibaba for proving streaming content in the Chinese mobiles devices market. Someone called him Rick Yawn. As much as KW and Ozzie were a combustible mixture, they were entertaining at least, and sports are about providing an escape for the fans. Right now, if you're the average 9 to 5 Joe the Plumber type, your life is being made even more vexing by the White Sox. Like Flash Tizzle said, at some point....you're wondering what it will take, a no hitter...how many innings in a row they can go without scoring, how bad can Danks/Cabrera/Sanchez/Flowers/Noesi be without any changes taking place. After a game like tonight, it's that whole idiotic "well, they fought back at the end...they gave it the 'ol college try...they didn't give up or get shut out...Danksie battled his butt off out there." Well, all those things might be true, but they're not going to build momentum for tomorrow, and every start that Danks takes up from this point is one that could be going to an Erik Johnson or Beck that will actually have an effect on the future of this organization and its ability to compete for a playoff spot. Edited June 18, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) Yes on all except Putnam and Petricka. Who the hell would want them?? They are bodies, nothing else. Have you looked at Putnam's strikeout to IP ratio recently? Not every team is like the Royals, where they have Hochevar, Frasor, Madson, Medlen, Herrera, Wade Davis and Holland for RH pitching depth. If anything, even KC could use Duke, because they're not 100% convinced Morales is the answer from the LH side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Honestly who is to blame at this point? Everyone says baseball managers effect the result of a game the least in the major sports. Everyone was happy here with the moves Hahn had made the past few off seasons. So what the Hell is the problem? Is it the fact that we're getting bad luck because a few guys are having bad years to an already weak offense? Is it the poor defense? Base running? Where do you start fixing at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:56 PM) Honestly who is to blame at this point? Everyone says baseball managers effect the result of a game the least in the major sports. Everyone was happy here with the moves Hahn had made the past few off seasons. So what the Hell is the problem? Is it the fact that we're getting bad luck because a few guys are having bad years to an already weak offense? Is it the poor defense? Base running? Where do you start fixing at this point? Upper management and coaching... The record over the past years has been bad or worse... players have changed but still same bad results. Can only pretend for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Coop speaks on the Score at 8;40. This might be a good one. I'm sure he'll blame the fans in some roundabout way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Not including Noesi getting DFA'd or Sanchez going back to Charlotte, I think someone is going soon. IMO, Steverson and Boston are most likely. It's a cosmetic move, but unless they are turning over a good percentage of the roster or firing Hahn and KW, any move in reality would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:12 AM) Coop speaks on the Score at 8;40. This might be a good one. I'm sure he'll blame the fans in some roundabout way. Without a doubt, that's the most white sox move ever. Play is bad, but let's blame fans for not getting out to the ballpark to support this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:16 AM) Without a doubt, that's the most white sox move ever. Play is bad, but let's blame fans for not getting out to the ballpark to support this team. I hope they ask him about the first inning. Last night was another example. 3 runs the first 4 hitters. Nothing after that. Why do teams continue to score in the first inning and what is being done to try to change it? Coop has been eating and drinking his accolades for the past several years. It's time he actually earns them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Coop wasn't combative this time, but he wasn't taking any blame either. All on the players; nothing on the coaching staff. Not exactly the same as Hahn's, "We're all in this together". We'll see how this organization looks in 5 months. Hopefully different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 09:03 AM) Coop wasn't combative this time, but he wasn't taking any blame either. All on the players; nothing on the coaching staff. Not exactly the same as Hahn's, "We're all in this together". We'll see how this organization looks in 5 months. Hopefully different. He is right. It should be on the players. I think we have all become numb about salaries. $10 million a year isn't all that much anymore, but if some stiff is making $200k a year, that is usually considered doing pretty well. It would take 50 years to get to $10 million. They get paid a lot more than coaches for a reason. If there were coaches that could make minimum salary guys, $15 million a year players, they would get paid a lot more money than the players. Edited June 18, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:13 AM) Not including Noesi getting DFA'd or Sanchez going back to Charlotte, I think someone is going soon. IMO, Steverson and Boston are most likely. It's a cosmetic move, but unless they are turning over a good percentage of the roster or firing Hahn and KW, any move in reality would be the same. Well sure, make sure to dump the only non-insider. Can't blame the heroes. Edited June 18, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 09:15 AM) Well sure, make sure you dump the only non-insider. Employing your ex players as coaches is not unique to the White Sox, and not the reason they are losing. Edited June 18, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I don't even know how to fix this mess at this point. I'm rooting for us to lose a bit more over the next couple weeks so the young guys get a chance to play and we can see what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 i will keep on saying this, there has to be a reason why the players are not responding enuf to win. pitchers can not forget to pitched, esp the ACES, the hitter can not forget how to hit, the defense well ..... they were never that good anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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