Panerista Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) Well, I'm sorry, but they are going to have to give a "real deal" to get Chris Sale. Maybe 3-4 real deals. I could see two "real deals", but I doubt the White Sox ever get the package they want . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The problem is any GM who gives up that much young talent and then Sale pitches for only a year or two before going down with an elbow or shoulder injury is risking his career...ending up like the Vikings' GM who gave up the future by dealing for Herschel Walker. They won't get Bryant, so it would have to start Russell/Schwarber and go from there...Soler and Baez would be risky third pieces for Hahn. But, based on how Castro has looked this year, you can't do it if you're Epstein. You go after Cueto and maybe Price if the Tigers fall back even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) Well, I'm sorry, but they are going to have to give a "real deal" to get Chris Sale. Maybe 3-4 real deals. Yeah...could you imagine Sale in the NL for a whole year? Probably better numbers than Scherzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) The problem is any GM who gives up that much young talent and then Sale pitches for only a year or two before going down with an elbow or shoulder injury is risking his career...ending up like the Vikings' GM who gave up the future by dealing for Herschel Walker. Chris Sale's contract is such that the risk of shoulder injury is mostly negated by how team friendly the contract is. Edited June 20, 2015 by AustinIllini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/612096913538576388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So classy. I'd be so mad if I were him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) That's a great trade for both teams, but from a marketing perspective, the Cubs can't pull it off. But I agree with you. That's why you don't move a staff Ace. Anything less than Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, or Schwarber and Russel is too little. Bryant for Sale straight up would be a horrible trade for us, it'd have to be quite a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Well if the Cubs don't want to part with talent then they aren't getting the best pitcher on the planet. For me it's not even about the return. Obviously he's the best pitcher in the game over the past 2 months and the return would have to be 2-3 top flight prospects. That's besides the point, I just hate to see his talent go to waste on a team that isn't going anywhere. He's such a competitor and great team player, you root for a guy like that to be put into a position where he can have team as well as personal success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) Chris Sale's contract is such that the risk of shoulder injury is mostly negated by how team friendly the contract is. Right, which is what forces another GM to give up a king's ransom, compared to the short-term rental rate of a Price or Cueto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:10 PM) The problem is any GM who gives up that much young talent and then Sale pitches for only a year or two before going down with an elbow or shoulder injury is risking his career...ending up like the Vikings' GM who gave up the future by dealing for Herschel Walker. They won't get Bryant, so it would have to start Russell/Schwarber and go from there...Soler and Baez would be risky third pieces for Hahn. But, based on how Castro has looked this year, you can't do it if you're Epstein. You go after Cueto and maybe Price if the Tigers fall back even more. Sale could miss a season with Tommy John and his deal would still be a bargain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Not really in my opinion. He's still the best pitcher in the American League. The fact that he doesn't have the wins doesn't really affect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:30 PM) Sale could miss a season with Tommy John and his deal would still be a bargain His entire non- option extension is worth one season of Clayton Kershaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Insider article, but Buster Olney said basically what I did about Sale. He also said that it'd be pretty tough to get value for him because his value is so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 07:38 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Insider article, but Buster Olney said basically what I did about Sale. He also said that it'd be pretty tough to get value for him because his value is so high. basically the same thing i am believing. even tho i was throwing ideas out there. the bottom line, the cost will too high to get full value for Sale, esp with his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 01:38 PM) http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Insider article, but Buster Olney said basically what I did about Sale. He also said that it'd be pretty tough to get value for him because his value is so high. Let's see Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck should do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 To sum up thread: Sale is paid to do his job, it sucks he doesn't get help, but wins for a pitcher don't really matter. The White Sox cannot possibly win a trade with Sale in it, so he's untradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:51 PM) To sum up thread: Sale is paid to do his job, it sucks he doesn't get help, but wins for a pitcher don't really matter. The White Sox cannot possibly win a trade with Sale in it, so he's untradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Buster Olney argues for a trade of Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 09:30 AM) http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 Buster Olney argues for a trade of Sale. nice find, i kinda of missed it. but either way, nice reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Speculation is a funny thing,lol. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/06/cafa...a-papelbon.html "White Sox left-hander Chris Sale is on a strikeout tear and teams would surely like to add him this summer. However, team sources tell Cafardo that Sale is not available. Even though the White Sox are in last place, they see him as the cornerstone of their franchise. Sale, 26, has a 2.74 ERA with 12.1 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9 through 13 starts this season" Maybe things will change but it certainly sounds as though Sale is not going anywhere and I'm just fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 01:08 PM) Speculation is a funny thing,lol. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/06/cafa...a-papelbon.html "White Sox left-hander Chris Sale is on a strikeout tear and teams would surely like to add him this summer. However, team sources tell Cafardo that Sale is not available. Even though the White Sox are in last place, they see him as the cornerstone of their franchise. Sale, 26, has a 2.74 ERA with 12.1 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9 through 13 starts this season" Maybe things will change but it certainly sounds as though Sale is not going anywhere and I'm just fine with that. That makes more sense than "wasting his good years" or whatever nonsense they call it. It's the best value for performance contract for the organization. Aces will soon be topping $200M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 21, 2015 -> 07:37 PM) That makes more sense than "wasting his good years" or whatever nonsense they call it. It's the best value for performance contract for the organization. Aces will soon be topping $200M. while you are correct in the statement of value for the contract, you also have to admit that Sale is undoubtedly the #1 sp of this rotation, based on his talent alone. his contract is a fantastic one for the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:51 PM) To sum up thread: Sale is paid to do his job, it sucks he doesn't get help, but wins for a pitcher don't really matter. The White Sox cannot possibly win a trade with Sale in it, so he's untradeable. Can we just replace the Soxtalk banner with this post and close all the Sale trade threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:19 PM) https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/612096913538576388 Was that Levine asking the question? I could not tell but it sounded kind of like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jun 22, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) Was that Levine asking the question? I could not tell but it sounded kind of like him. It was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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