Rosenbloom on the Sox

[kitekrazy]

Doesn't lay blame on Ventura.

 

If I'm Ventura, I’m making them go through infield and outfield pregame drills like Little League teams. I don’t care if players feel embarrassed. They ought to be embarrassed by their Little League-like play fielding and throwing. They ought to have enough pride to fix it. Note to Samardzija - want to get paid like an ace, act like one.

 

I don't know if this is done or do players try to improve on their own instead of going through the motions. I remember in 2005, when Rowand wasn't hitting he would go to the batting cages in the morning.

 

If they fired Ventura they might get maybe a week of improvement that may be about it.

 

I read a comment someone mentioned a culture of losing. That supports my theory they always get too many guys from losing organizations.

 

 

 

[greg775]

Doesn't lay blame on Ventura.

 

If I'm Ventura, I’m making them go through infield and outfield pregame drills like Little League teams. I don’t care if players feel embarrassed. They ought to be embarrassed by their Little League-like play fielding and throwing. They ought to have enough pride to fix it. Note to Samardzija - want to get paid like an ace, act like one.

 

I don't know if this is done or do players try to improve on their own instead of going through the motions. I remember in 2005, when Rowand wasn't hitting he would go to the batting cages in the morning.

 

If they fired Ventura they might get maybe a week of improvement that may be about it.

 

I read a comment someone mentioned a culture of losing. That supports my theory they always get too many guys from losing organizations.

Say what you want about my idol, Ozzie. Can you imagine if his team was playing like this?? He'd be all over these guys in the press and in their faces in the dugout. Talk about entertainment! He'd take them to task.

[Balta1701]

Say what you want about my idol, Ozzie. Can you imagine if his team was playing like this?? He'd be all over these guys in the press and in their faces in the dugout. Talk about entertainment! He'd take them to task.

Yes, we saw it in 2007.

[flavum]

This could have been written 6 weeks ago and been somewhat topical.

 

The season is over in 14 weeks. That will be the end of Robin Ventura's managerial career.

 

Fire him now? Wait til the end of the season and let him resign on his own? Who cares. There's no way he managing next season.

[Hatchetman]

which former sox player will get the gig next? DJ?

[flavum]

which former sox player will get the gig next? DJ?

 

Probably Thome.

[Balta1701]

Probably Thome.

Thome for a couple years then Konerko.

[Hatchetman]

Probably Thome.

 

I'm sure he's a master tactician!

[GreenSox]

The thrust of the piece wasn't that Ventura is a good manager or even not a bad one.

It's that the players are bad (one positive WAR position player) and the blame falls on the front office.

 

[flavum]

Thome for a couple years then Konerko.

 

I've said this before...I think Konerko respects the Sox organization, but if he gets back in the game, he'll try to do it with the Diamondbacks.

 

I can't see him going through all of the travel again and having his home base be Chicago.

[kitekrazy]

They're all bad choices. I can't imagine Konerko wanting to manage. Former players with no experience hasn't worked so far. At least Ozzie went through the ropes before becoming manager.

Someone said with Ventura managing it makes you for get what a great player he was.

 

I wonder who they will have to persuade the next time?

[LDF]

Doesn't lay blame on Ventura.

 

If I'm Ventura, I’m making them go through infield and outfield pregame drills like Little League teams. I don’t care if players feel embarrassed. They ought to be embarrassed by their Little League-like play fielding and throwing. They ought to have enough pride to fix it. Note to Samardzija - want to get paid like an ace, act like one.

 

I don't know if this is done or do players try to improve on their own instead of going through the motions. I remember in 2005, when Rowand wasn't hitting he would go to the batting cages in the morning.

 

If they fired Ventura they might get maybe a week of improvement that may be about it.

 

I read a comment someone mentioned a culture of losing. That supports my theory they always get too many guys from losing organizations.

 

oh what a beautiful way to kick them in the arse with out showing them up during a game. i truly like the bold

[CanOfCorn]

Doesn't lay blame on Ventura.

 

If I'm Ventura, I’m making them go through infield and outfield pregame drills like Little League teams. I don’t care if players feel embarrassed. They ought to be embarrassed by their Little League-like play fielding and throwing. They ought to have enough pride to fix it. Note to Samardzija - want to get paid like an ace, act like one.

 

I don't know if this is done or do players try to improve on their own instead of going through the motions. I remember in 2005, when Rowand wasn't hitting he would go to the batting cages in the morning.

 

If they fired Ventura they might get maybe a week of improvement that may be about it.

 

I read a comment someone mentioned a culture of losing. That supports my theory they always get too many guys from losing organizations.

 

Grindy.

[LDF]

didn't Jose A did something very similar to extra batting practice. but it was down played and only a little snippet to it, last yr. he was still hitting very good, dang it. i can't remember.

 

anyone else remember something like that.

[elrockinMT]

These so called baseball expert analysts can say what they want. Baseball players are professional athletes and are ADULTS! If they don't perform you don't treat them like children you move them. Find someone else to play if you truly feel these guys can't perform. I just got done listening to similar stuff on MLB network. They have no idea what happened to the Sox and a couple said they had picked the Sox to win after their off season moves. The Sox effort yo win now appears to have failed big time and we have no back up plan as far as developing our own. They think the Sx picked poorly in the draft for a decade but the last couple years have shown good moves, but there are no major league ready position players. The Indians on the other hand are seen as being able to recover faster. Seems the Sox are doomed for last place for several years.

[LDF]

These so called baseball expert analysts can say what they want. Baseball players are professional athletes and are ADULTS! If they don't perform you don't treat them like children you move them. Find someone else to play if you truly feel these guys can't perform. I just got done listening to similar stuff on MLB network. They have no idea what happened to the Sox and a couple said they had picked the Sox to win after their off season moves. The Sox effort yo win now appears to have failed big time and we have no back up plan as far as developing our own. They think the Sx picked poorly in the draft for a decade but the last couple years have shown good moves, but there are no major league ready position players. The Indians on the other hand are seen as being able to recover faster. Seems the Sox are doomed for last place for several years.

 

a great post!!!

 

re.... i don't see that and i will tell you why. management and whomever is there and the manager were made to look like a fool, and they deserved to.

 

if, i am am going to name this one owner, if JR gets really pissed, as he should, things will happen in the off season.

 

now if nothing happens like i said, then he lost all grips of pride. it is that bad, at least for me.

[harfman77]

I wanted Sandy Alomar Jr when Robin was hired and I still do. The guy has been in baseball his whole life and I feel that former catchers have a higher rate of success as managers.

[chitownsportsfan]

These so called baseball expert analysts can say what they want. Baseball players are professional athletes and are ADULTS! If they don't perform you don't treat them like children you move them. Find someone else to play if you truly feel these guys can't perform. I just got done listening to similar stuff on MLB network. They have no idea what happened to the Sox and a couple said they had picked the Sox to win after their off season moves. The Sox effort yo win now appears to have failed big time and we have no back up plan as far as developing our own. They think the Sx picked poorly in the draft for a decade but the last couple years have shown good moves, but there are no major league ready position players. The Indians on the other hand are seen as being able to recover faster. Seems the Sox are doomed for last place for several years.

 

They also are humans that enjoy a good workplace environment and respond to leadership both good and bad. There's plenty of reasons they suck but IMO the manager isn't part of the solution, so he's part of the problem.

Edited June 29, 2015 by chitownsportsfan

[Chicago White Sox]

I've never been a fan of Robin as manager and this season reinforces my belief he needs to go. It's not his fault for the gaps in talent on the roster, but I think he should be held accountable for the magnitude of suckiness (sorry Balta, but the offense is not THIS bad), certain drivers of suckiness (1st inning woes and consistently poor base-running, defense, & fundamentals), & the general lack of counter-measures (guys rarely benched for poor play, lineup changes infrequent, etc). On top of that, I simply think he's a poor in-game manager. Maybe he's comes off better behind closed doors, but ultimately I can come up with no justification for keeping him beyond this season. Best-case scenario he's just another guy at the manager spot, and we should at least attempt to do better than that. There's literally no downside of going in a different direction IMO.

[elrockinMT]

They also are humans that enjoy a good workplace environment and respond to leadership both good and bad. There's plenty of reasons they suck but IMO the manager isn't part of the solution, so he's part of the problem.

 

 

No argument. That is called leadership. Are we getting leadership now? I think we are but you can only get beat down for so long....

[elrockinMT]

I've never been a fan of Robin as manager and this season reinforces my belief he needs to go. It's not his fault for the gaps in talent on the roster, but I think he should be held accountable for the magnitude of suckiness (sorry Balta, but the offense is not THIS bad), certain drivers of suckiness (1st inning woes and consistently poor base-running, defense, & fundamentals), & the general lack of counter-measures (guys rarely benched for poor play, lineup changes infrequent, etc). On top of that, I simply think he's a poor in-game manager. Maybe he's comes off better behind closed doors, but ultimately I can come up with no justification for keeping him beyond this season. Best-case scenario he's just another guy at the manager spot, and we should at least attempt to do better than that. There's literally no downside of going in a different direction IMO.

 

 

The Chicago Sun-Times is calling for the return of Ozzie Guillen

[chitownsportsfan]

The Chicago Sun-Times is calling for the return of Ozzie Guillen

 

Oh great. He quit on the team he's dead to me.

[Chicago White Sox]

Oh great. He quit on the team he's dead to me.

The day Ozzie brought up his contract when we were heading into a critical series against Detroit was the day I knew with all certainty he was no longer the guy for the job. Dude is a selfish ego-maniac and should never be welcomed back into the organization in any official capacity.

[greg775]

This could have been written 6 weeks ago and been somewhat topical.

 

The season is over in 14 weeks. That will be the end of Robin Ventura's managerial career.

 

Fire him now? Wait til the end of the season and let him resign on his own? Who cares. There's no way he managing next season.

Pretty good post. Flavum, save this post. I think this is how it'll play out, sir!

 

I wanted Sandy Alomar Jr when Robin was hired and I still do. The guy has been in baseball his whole life and I feel that former catchers have a higher rate of success as managers.

It might be Alomar time, actually. Beware, however, Tony Pena sucked as KC skipper!

 

The Chicago Sun-Times is calling for the return of Ozzie Guillen

OMG! Don't tease me. The return of Ozzie would be immortal. OK, think of it. Robin quits tomorrow. Oz is interim. What would it hurt??? See how he behaves the remainder of a lost lost season. If he shuts his mouth and is a modern day manager, five year extension, baby!!! I love Ozzie and this plan would hurt nobody. This team has long been out of it. I repeat .... WHAT WOULD IT HURT? At the least it could resurrect the career of a guy who deserves to be in baseball?

Edited June 30, 2015 by greg775

[caulfield12]

Pretty good post. Flavum, save this post. I think this is how it'll play out, sir!

 

 

It might be Alomar time, actually. Beware, however, Tony Pena sucked as KC skipper!

 

 

OMG! Don't tease me. The return of Ozzie would be immortal. OK, think of it. Robin quits tomorrow. Oz is interim. What would it hurt??? See how he behaves the remainder of a lost lost season. If he shuts his mouth and is a modern day manager, five year extension, baby!!! I love Ozzie and this plan would hurt nobody. This team has long been out of it. I repeat .... WHAT WOULD IT HURT? At the least it could resurrect the career of a guy who deserves to be in baseball?

 

 

Greg775, Bill Self and the manager of the local Lawrence Applebee's or Chili's all have a higher probability of being the next Sox manager while KW is still ensconced in the front office suite.