Thad Bosley Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Out with Williams and Hahn, in with STEVE STONE. That's right, you heard me - put Stoney in charge of the whole production! He's always wanted to be a GM, and he's certainly smart enough to do so. The timing is right as he's at the end of his TV contract at the end of this season. He would pass the Jerry Reinsdorf loyalty program smell test, while at the same time he would bring in a new and fresh perspective on how to run an organization. And then once you install him in as GM or exec. VP of baseball ops or whatever, then let him find the right baseball mind to run things in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) Isn't that preferable to now pretending Robin Ventura was 2012 AL Manager of the Year and that we actually made the playoffs that season? Should we just throw out the results from the field and argue the Sox should have won in 1994, 2003, 2006, 2008 (Quentin hamate was unlucky), 2010 and 2012? Weren't we just as lucky Hahn's kid lucked out on the coin toss, or it would be a full decade since the last White Sox playoff appearance? That doesn't count? Sometimes...teams make their own luck. It's sports. Even the 2005 White Sox had about at least eight or nine lucky things occur for them to win...every possible break went their way. No. 30 years of sucking to make a wild card is not the preferred way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Out with Williams and Hahn, in with STEVE STONE. That's right, you heard me - put Stoney in charge of the whole production! He's always wanted to be a GM, and he's certainly smart enough to do so. The timing is right as he's at the end of his TV contract at the end of this season. He would pass the Jerry Reinsdorf loyalty program smell test, while at the same time he would bring in a new and fresh perspective on how to run an organization. And then once you install him in as GM or exec. VP of baseball ops or whatever, then let him find the right baseball mind to run things in the dugout. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Ozzie as interim would be awesome. Grab some much needed headlines and attention to a terrible team. If we are going "in-house" I'd definitely prefer him to the other candidates for the full time job as well. Ideally we don't go down that path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Should of hired Dave ******* Martinez in the first place. Now he's with the Cubs. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) lol I'm tellin' ya - ride the Stone Pony right on out of the "Land of the Williams/Hahn Bad Decisions", out of the cellar of the American League, and onto baseball greatness!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 11:15 AM) I'm tellin' ya - ride the Stone Pony right on out of the "Land of the Williams/Hahn Bad Decisions", out of the cellar of the American League, and onto baseball greatness!! "Ride the Stone Pony" is next year's ad campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) Ozzie as interim would be awesome. Grab some much needed headlines and attention to a terrible team. If we are going "in-house" I'd definitely prefer him to the other candidates for the full time job as well. Ideally we don't go down that path. ozzie would be an horrible decisions. most of the viable managers candidates are employed now, and prob until the off season. if RV either steps down or gets relieved, parent should take over. Joey Cora comes to mind, i think he is associated with ozzie, Sandy Alomar Jr .... see if these 2 are avail for intern. if not, talk to Atl, see if they will let Maddux out, since they may not make the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) Why do people complain the White Sox hire their own and then suggest guys like Ozzie, Thome, Alomar, and Martinez? The Sun Times article is pretty funny considering it is written by Chris De Luca, a guy who refused to fire Cowley, and a guy whose own people think is very incompetent at his job as a managing editor (see Jim O'Donnell). People have been calling for his head for years. Sports writers are frustrated college boys/girls who couldn't make it in the sports arena so they write about it with little knowledge of the subject. Frustration is ruling the day so the writer jumps on the bandwagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Should of hired Dave ******* Martinez in the first place. Now he's with the Cubs. Ugh. Why??? If Tampa Bay had him in house and passed like several other teams did, why would we go for him??? Certainly a better choice than RV but there must be a reason TB did not choose him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Out with Williams and Hahn, in with STEVE STONE. That's right, you heard me - put Stoney in charge of the whole production! He's always wanted to be a GM, and he's certainly smart enough to do so. The timing is right as he's at the end of his TV contract at the end of this season. He would pass the Jerry Reinsdorf loyalty program smell test, while at the same time he would bring in a new and fresh perspective on how to run an organization. And then once you install him in as GM or exec. VP of baseball ops or whatever, then let him find the right baseball mind to run things in the dugout. Sounds like Hawk Harrelson for GM back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Sports writers are frustrated college boys/girls who couldn't make it in the sports arena so they write about it with little knowledge of the subject. Frustration is ruling the day so the writer jumps on the bandwagon LMAO omg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Out with Williams and Hahn, in with STEVE STONE. That's right, you heard me - put Stoney in charge of the whole production! He's always wanted to be a GM, and he's certainly smart enough to do so. The timing is right as he's at the end of his TV contract at the end of this season. He would pass the Jerry Reinsdorf loyalty program smell test, while at the same time he would bring in a new and fresh perspective on how to run an organization. And then once you install him in as GM or exec. VP of baseball ops or whatever, then let him find the right baseball mind to run things in the dugout. didn't the sox something like that with another sport announcer..... Hawk as GM??? look at how successful that was. ```` oops.... Edited June 30, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 07:06 AM) The White Sox are relevant in Chicago again!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) Yesterday, Matt Abbatacola said that he knows that the White Sox wouldn't get what Sale is worth in a trade but that they should do it anyway? What? I think that's really because it's impossible to get his value. Sale is worth more than any player in baseball not named Trout or Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) I think that's really because it's impossible to get his value. Sale is worth more than any player in baseball not named Trout or Harper. You could almost say more than both of them as well because of his ridiculous deal. Either way, it is nitpicking, Sale's value is off the charts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) You could almost say more than both of them as well because of his ridiculous deal. Either way, it is nitpicking, Sale's value is off the charts And while I agree, if you're down enough on this franchise as I am such that you expect this team to continue losing for several years...comparing "rebuilding with the best pieces we could get for Chris Sale" and "letting Chris Sale be the dominant player on a losing team until he is traded in 2018 or gets hurt" at least motivates consideration of the "take the best offer you can" option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) And while I agree, if you're down enough on this franchise as I am such that you expect this team to continue losing for several years...comparing "rebuilding with the best pieces we could get for Chris Sale" and "letting Chris Sale be the dominant player on a losing team until he is traded in 2018 or gets hurt" at least motivates consideration of the "take the best offer you can" option. Just like the best five players among... Clay Buchholz Daniel Bard Michael Bowden Justin Masterson Nick Hagadone Josh Reddick Yamaico Navarro Felix Doubront ...would have had the Mariners set for years if they had traded Felix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) You could almost say more than both of them as well because of his ridiculous deal. Either way, it is nitpicking, Sale's value is off the charts No. You cannot. He is a pitcher and can only affect 33 games or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:41 PM) No. You cannot. He is a pitcher and can only affect 33 games or so. This argument ignores how much more of an impact the pitcher has on the games in which he appears. A starter who throws 200 innings typically faces well over 800 batters in a season. Ian Kinsler had the most plate appearances in baseball last season with 726. Edited June 30, 2015 by shysocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 06:14 AM) NO matter where you are on the Ventura firing, that reads like a fan boy wrote it. I should have read that on a fan site, not a newspaper. Awful. It's an opinion piece. Plus, this made me laugh: Parent was supposed to be the bad cop to Ventura’s good cop, but he mostly barks at deaf ears in a tuned-out clubhouse. Pitching coach Don Cooper? He’s more interested in building his brand and clearing his throat for his next radio show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 01:39 PM) Just like the best five players among... Clay Buchholz Daniel Bard Michael Bowden Justin Masterson Nick Hagadone Josh Reddick Yamaico Navarro Felix Doubront ...would have had the Mariners set for years if they had traded Felix! Here's the problem with that comparison. What have the Mariners done with Felix? 0 playoff appearances, 1 year above .500, 1 year finishing better than 4th in the division since 2009. Oh darn...so trading that pitcher would have done what...make them a bad team and a losing franchise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) Not if it was Skinner, McEwing, Bell or Capra. As you'll notice in Philly (MacPhail, Amaro and Gillick) and Arizona, those organizations weren't afraid to spend Bonifacio/Downs/Paulino/Keppinger/Belisario money on recent in-season changes in leadership much more important than the 23rd-25th players on the roster. The White Sox, close to a billion dollar franchise, are suddenly concerned about saving a few bucks when they were recently willing to spend $125-135 million on Tanaka? I think you make McEwing the interim and give him chance, a lot of people like him as a future manager so maybe his time is now. Evaluate after the season and either stick with him or get Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Here's the problem with that comparison. What have the Mariners done with Felix? 0 playoff appearances, 1 year above .500, 1 year finishing better than 4th in the division since 2009. Oh darn...so trading that pitcher would have done what...make them a bad worse team and a losing franchise? Fixed. They had a pitcher who everybody wanted, a bona fide stud, and that was the type of offer they were fielding. Couple that with teams valuing their pre-FA players more now than they ever did, and you expect a Chris Sale return to be remotely satisfactory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) Fixed. They had a pitcher who everybody wanted, a bona fide stud, and that was the type of offer they were fielding. Couple that with teams valuing their pre-FA players more now than they ever did, and you expect a Chris Sale return to be remotely satisfactory. No. You will not get fair value for Chris Sale, but the problem is that it's entirely possible to hold onto him and wind up like the Mariners. You convince yourself you're right there so you make a big trade to bring in a pitcher to go alongside him (Cliff Lee, Erik Bedard) and give up several future starters in the process. Then you go onto the free agent market to make a splash and fill a hole, but you don't want to sign the top guy for $200 million+ so you sign a contract like Chone Figgins. Then you make a couple trades for talented players with guys who are close to the end of their contracts (Cliff Lee), play them for a couple years, and you stink at player development so they wash out and are released. Then you finally say "Oh well let's spend big time" and wind up paying Robinson Cano. We haven't done the $200 million deal yet, but the "We've got this great talent so let's put guys around him so we don't waste him" format so far is one we've matched extremely well...trading for guys in the last year of their contract and giving up talent in the process, signing guys to medium-level FA deals and having them implode, trading for talented guys that you fail to develop... We're doing a great job of matching that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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