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First 100 starts (relief appearance stats removed)

Randy Johnson: 38-34, 592 K's / 621.1 IP (8.57 K/9)

Sandy Koufax: 30-37, 557 K's / 565.1 IP (8.87 K/9)

Pedro Martinez: (??), 649 K's / 649.2 IP (8.99 K/9)

Nolan Ryan: (??), 642K's / 631.1 IP (9.15 K/9)

Chris Sale: 46-30, 766 K's / 682.2 IP (10.09 K/9)

 

 

yeah.............

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QUOTE (Real @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:23 PM)
First 100 starts (relief appearance stats removed)

Randy Johnson: 38-34, 592 K's / 621.1 IP (8.57 K/9)

Sandy Koufax: 30-37, 557 K's / 565.1 IP (8.87 K/9)

Pedro Martinez: (??), 649 K's / 649.2 IP (8.99 K/9)

Chris Sale: 46-30, 766 K's / 682.2 IP (10.09 K/9)

 

 

yeah.............

 

impressive ..... very impressive. those are some elite names there, with him.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 06:29 AM)
impressive ..... very impressive. those are some elite names there, with him.

 

added nolan ryan's stats

 

anyone feel free to double check my stats

 

one thing i noticed while going through ryan's entire game log as a starter from 1968 to 1972

 

he got pulled out of a ton of games early (1-3 innings) for getting lit the f*k up lol

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Baseball reference uses 1000 IP as it's qualifier for career rate statistics. Sale should reach the 1000 IP mark sometime around the All-Star break next year. When he does, if his numbers stay where they're at, and they could improve as he keeps getting better and better, his all time ranks will be incredibly impressive in quite a few categories.

 

As a reference to how close he is to the all time leaders in these categories, I'll list the top 4 and then Sale's rank.

 

WHIP

1. Addie Joss - 0.9678

2. Ed Walsh - 0.9996

3. Mariano Rivera - 1.0003

4. John Ward - 1.0435

5. Chris Sale - 1.0539

 

H/9

1. Nolan Ryan - 6.56

2. Sandy Koufax - 6.79

3. Clayton Kershaw - 6.79

4. Sid Fernandez - 6.85

18. Chris Sale - 7.23

 

K/9

1. Randy Johnson - 10.61

2. Kerry Wood - 10.32

3. Chris Sale - 10.2

4. Pedro Martinez - 10.04

5. Max Scherzer - 9.68

 

K/BB

1. Tommy Bond - 5.04

2. Chris Sale - 4.50

3. Curt Schilling - 4.38

4. Pedro Martinez - 4.15

5. Mariano Rivera - 4.10

 

ERA+

1. Mariano Rivera - 205

2. Pedro Martinez - 154

3. Jim Devlin - 150

4. Clayton Kershaw - 149

6. Chris Sale - 147

 

That's pretty damn impressive for a guy who I think still hasn't peaked. Barring any health issues, I don't think there's any doubt we are watching the making's of a Hall of Famer.

 

After last night's game, he is now on pace for 305 strikeouts this season. Nobody reaches the 300 K mark anymore.

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QUOTE (Real @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 06:55 AM)
added nolan ryan's stats

 

anyone feel free to double check my stats

 

one thing i noticed while going through ryan's entire game log as a starter from 1968 to 1972

 

he got pulled out of a ton of games early (1-3 innings) for getting lit the f*k up lol

 

Ryan also won exactly zero Cy Young awards

 

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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:16 PM)
Baseball reference uses 1000 IP as it's qualifier for career rate statistics. Sale should reach the 1000 IP mark sometime around the All-Star break next year. When he does, if his numbers stay where they're at, and they could improve as he keeps getting better and better, his all time ranks will be incredibly impressive in quite a few categories.

 

As a reference to how close he is to the all time leaders in these categories, I'll list the top 4 and then Sale's rank.

 

WHIP

1. Addie Joss - 0.9678

2. Ed Walsh - 0.9996

3. Mariano Rivera - 1.0003

4. John Ward - 1.0435

5. Chris Sale - 1.0539

 

H/9

1. Nolan Ryan - 6.56

2. Sandy Koufax - 6.79

3. Clayton Kershaw - 6.79

4. Sid Fernandez - 6.85

18. Chris Sale - 7.23

 

K/9

1. Randy Johnson - 10.61

2. Kerry Wood - 10.32

3. Chris Sale - 10.2

4. Pedro Martinez - 10.04

5. Max Scherzer - 9.68

 

K/BB

1. Tommy Bond - 5.04

2. Chris Sale - 4.50

3. Curt Schilling - 4.38

4. Pedro Martinez - 4.15

5. Mariano Rivera - 4.10

 

ERA+

1. Mariano Rivera - 205

2. Pedro Martinez - 154

3. Jim Devlin - 150

4. Clayton Kershaw - 149

6. Chris Sale - 147

 

That's pretty damn impressive for a guy who I think still hasn't peaked. Barring any health issues, I don't think there's any doubt we are watching the making's of a Hall of Famer.

 

After last night's game, he is now on pace for 305 strikeouts this season. Nobody reaches the 300 K mark anymore.

 

good point about peaking.... and how old is he. what future he has,

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QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 08:25 AM)
Really enjoyed watching him pitch with the dead-center camera angle in St. Louis. It allowed you to see the movement on his pitches so much differently. That's the gold standard for baseball viewing on TV.

 

oh so now they have the worlds best fans and the gold standard for baseball viewing. F*** this bull****

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 07:38 AM)
oh so now they have the worlds best fans and the gold standard for baseball viewing. F*** this bull****

Their grounds crew uses a mixture of leftover champagne from past championship celebrations, Voss + tears collected from fans of all the teams they eliminate in postseason play to achieve the most luscious, emerald hued grass in all of baseball.

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I love Chris Sale as much as the rest, but let's be careful with the "hasn't even peaked yet" thing. Aging curves -- never rigid in the first place -- have been creeping toward the younger side for years now, and we know that velocity especially peaks very young. Pitchers that have long, HOF careers typically do so because they are able to evolve their approach and arsenal as their stuff declines. I do think that Chris can be one of those guys, but we should acknowledge that his "stuff" is as good now as it will ever be and that he isn't due to become physically more dominant just because he isn't 27 yet.

 

There are always exceptions, of course, but they're rare.

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