knightni Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 http://www.royalsreview.com/2015/6/30/8865...r-trade-targets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They already have 9 starters. With Ventura as manager instead of Yost, they would have four more victories.... At any rate... So here's a player who projects to be the same as Jeff Samardzija but without the sticker price of the name. Now, Quintana obviously has longer team control than Shark (who's a free agent in a few months) so you'd have to cough up a bit more for Quintana. Dumb ass. That last sentence wipes out the whole article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 10:21 AM) http://www.royalsreview.com/2015/6/30/8865...r-trade-targets As I am sure 29 other teams are. Good luck paying a high enough price to get him to a division rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 They're much better off hoping Duffy can return to 2014 form than trading away half of their farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Quintana conversation starts with Mondesi + at least 1 of Manaea or Zimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 09:54 AM) Quintana conversation starts with Mondesi + at least 1 of Manaea or Zimmer. It at least makes sense but for one major problem...Mondesi Jr., is going to be their eventual replacement for Infante at 2b. For the White Sox, he would play SS. And that's still arguably one player short....it needs to be someone with more offensive upside than Christian Colon, too. If Dyson could hit well enough, I would stick him in CF, move Eaton to LF and Cabrera to RF with Avi as DH and LaRoche gone. We'd get younger and more atletic...with Micah and Mondesi, Dyson and Eaton, the main concerns would be getting more offense from third and catcher. Just not sure Dyson's defense at USCF can offset his lack of pop. It would be like Juan Lagares Lite. Edited July 1, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:18 AM) It at least makes sense but for one major problem...Mondesi Jr., is going to be their eventual replacement for Infante at 2b. For the White Sox, he would play SS. And that's still arguably one player short....it needs to be someone with more offensive upside than Christian Colon, too. If Dyson could hit well enough, I would stick him in CF, move Eaton to LF and Cabrera to RF with Avi as DH and LaRoche gone. We'd get younger and more atletic...with Micah and Mondesi, Dyson and Eaton, the main concerns would be getting more offense from third and catcher. Just not sure Dyson's defense at USCF can offset his lack of pop. It would be like Juan Lagares Lite. From the Royals standpoint, to get a young, cost controlled, top half of the rotation lefty, they are going to have to hurt themselves somewhere to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) I would sit down with Cooper and go over Zimmer/Manaea/Finnegan. Choose one. Next, Mondesi, Jr. Finally, Dyson or Bubba Starling...leaning towards Dyson, would try for both. Wouldn't really want Colon as we already have seemingly five potential utility infielders. Or Duffy and Mondesi, Jr., for Quintana. Change of scenery deal for both pitchers. Coop can fix him, etc. I'm just not sure with Odorizzi and now Montgomery in Seattle they'll so easily part with more young pitching prospects. We'll see. Edited July 1, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 What he doesn't say is what the Royals should give up. Let me guess: the org's 6th and 7th prospects, with some Rios thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) What he doesn't say is what the Royals should give up. Let me guess: the org's 6th and 7th prospects, with some Rios thrown in. Jason Frasor/Ryan Madson, Paulo Orlando or Dyson and Christian Colon. Maybe they'll throw in Medlen or Hochevar, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Was with cubs fan friends this weekend. I mentioned Sale rumors on score. They thought Starlin Castro would get it done. Then looking at this, very annoying to see the trash people always want to offer for good players. Probably somehwere in the middle, but starting to feel like the "trash" packages are closer to the truth. Nobody seems to want to give up anything anymore, which makes that Cubs/As smarj trade all the more amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Read the comments below the article. He acknowledges that the price would be high and does an impressive job doing so. He's not an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) Jason Frasor/Ryan Madson, Paulo Orlando or Dyson and Christian Colon. Maybe they'll throw in Medlen or Hochevar, lol. Seriously though, I would try to move Quintana. He's not worth an elite prospect, but something like the Royals' 2, 4 and 5 would work. I think you can get full value for him and lord knows we need young talent infused into this org. I see Santiago is outpitching Quintana. Not terribly surprising - he just needed to get his walks under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Then he should have simply written....by war, he's a top five lefty in all of mlb since 2012, ahead of both Bumgarner and Cubs' "ace" Jon Lester. The price is going to be a helluva lot higher than a Samardjiza rental...almost to the point where it becomes prohibitive, as Sale and Quintana rank along with Sal Perez as three of the five best contracts in the game for younger players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Read the comments below the article. He acknowledges that the price would be high and does an impressive job doing so. He's not an idiot. A package centered around Mondesi and Manaea would be interesting, I think Mondesi will end up being a stud. .700+ OPS in AA as a 19 year old aint bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) I would sit down with Cooper and go over Zimmer/Manaea/Finnegan. Choose one. Next, Mondesi, Jr. Finally, Dyson or Bubba Starling...leaning towards Dyson, would try for both. Wouldn't really want Colon as we already have seemingly five potential utility infielders. Or Duffy and Mondesi, Jr., for Quintana. Change of scenery deal for both pitchers. Coop can fix him, etc. I'm just not sure with Odorizzi and now Montgomery in Seattle they'll so easily part with more young pitching prospects. We'll see. I don't like a package that highlights Mondesi for Q. The Sox need to get 1 prime position player back either a C-SS-CF. Mondesi is KC's number 1 prospect but he is average in AA. So we are trading to hope he plays well in AAA next year. I think the Sox have to get a AAA or ML player who is putting up solid numbers as the first piece in a package. Now I would take him for Shark but I doubt KC does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Seriously though, I would try to move Quintana. He's not worth an elite prospect, but something like the Royals' 2, 4 and 5 would work. I think you can get full value for him and lord knows we need young talent infused into this org. I see Santiago is outpitching Quintana. Not terribly surprising - he just needed to get his walks under control. He's absolutely worth an elite prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) I don't like a package that highlights Mondesi for Q. The Sox need to get 1 prime position player back either a C-SS-CF. Mondesi is KC's number 1 prospect but he is average in AA. So we are trading to hope he plays well in AAA next year. I think the Sox have to get a AAA or ML player who is putting up solid numbers as the first piece in a package. Now I would take him for Shark but I doubt KC does it. In my opinion, just as important is getting the right younger pitcher back from those three options. KC knows with their defense and bullpen, he's going to be a huge stabilizing addition and be comfortable with the veteran Volquez and hopefully another mentor (completely opposite personalities) to Ventura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 01:06 PM) He's absolutely worth an elite prospect. Everyone see what Samardzija brought back to the Cubs last year? The #7 prospect on the BP list before 2014 as the key part? Compared to Samardzija at the time of that trade, Quintana is: Cheaper Under team control for 4 more seasons at an affordable rate Younger Left Handed (nice bonus) More consistent Has put up better seasons than Samardzija ever did. I'm on board for trading everything and then trading everything again and then trading the scraps from that...but if you don't get "Elite prospects" back for him (note the plural) then you don't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Seriously though, I would try to move Quintana. He's not worth an elite prospect, but something like the Royals' 2, 4 and 5 would work. I think you can get full value for him and lord knows we need young talent infused into this org. I see Santiago is outpitching Quintana. Not terribly surprising - he just needed to get his walks under control. With his performance, and his contract, he is worth a top prospect. If not, you keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) Everyone see what Samardzija brought back to the Cubs last year? The #7 prospect on the BP list before 2014 as the key part? Compared to Samardzija at the time of that trade, Quintana is: Cheaper Under team control for 4 more seasons at an affordable rate Younger Left Handed (nice bonus) More consistent Has put up better seasons than Samardzija ever did. I'm on board for trading everything and then trading everything again and then trading the scraps from that...but if you don't get "Elite prospects" back for him (note the plural) then you don't trade him. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) With his performance, and his contract, he is worth a top prospect. If not, you keep him. Yup. There is no reason to trade Quintana unless you are getting a boat full of good prospects or a surefire 1 or 2 prospects or young major leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) With his performance, and his contract, he is worth a top prospect. If not, you keep him. Just don't see it. Top, yes; elite, no. Getting a top 10 for Shark was just a lucky Cubs fluke. Of course, I am not overly bullish on Quintana, so that's my bias. (wasn't bullish on Shark either). he may be statistically worth what you guys suggest; I don't see teams paying that. Edited July 1, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) Just don't see it. Top, yes; elite, no. Getting a top 10 for Shark was just a lucky Cubs fluke. Of course, I am not overly bullish on Quintana, so that's my bias. (wasn't bullish on Shark either). Then we have him under control for 5 more seasons so we can wait for a similar "lucky fluke". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) Everyone see what Samardzija brought back to the Cubs last year? The #7 prospect on the BP list before 2014 as the key part? Compared to Samardzija at the time of that trade, Quintana is: Cheaper Under team control for 4 more seasons at an affordable rate Younger Left Handed (nice bonus) More consistent Has put up better seasons than Samardzija ever did. I'm on board for trading everything and then trading everything again and then trading the scraps from that...but if you don't get "Elite prospects" back for him (note the plural) then you don't trade him. That's why I think the two proposals I have are reasonable. One top pitching prospect (Zimmer/Manaea/Finnegan) SS replacement, top positional prospect in Mondesi, Jr. Dyson to upgrade outfield defense/speed/baserunning Starling for upside/sweetener/change of scenery Or Duffy/Mondesi....two positions filled for the price of one, could also include Dyson/Colon/Starling as final piece. The Royals are unlikely to give up the more proven/expensive Escobar, although you could certainly try...they're clearly not ready to turn SS over to him, preferring he replace Infante for now. Those might not be what we could have gotten this offseason...his value has come back down to earth just a bit. Edited July 1, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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