knightni Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2015/7/2/88833...chris-sale-as-a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Oh brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 pass. I'd kill myself than watch him pitch for those fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Kill this thread. That article is another fanboy article and the way the rumor started is just some guy seeing Sale pitch well and long for him to be on his beloved Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ugh, makes me want to cry. Does anyone else remember crying?: "I wouldn’t sell the farm for any player in either league. By September Martinez will be the Cards best pitcher, and barring injury in two years may be the best pitcher in the league. I believe that where he is headed anyway. Grichuk is a superstar in the making. I know all the metrics folks may not think so, but let’s just name a couple of Cards who got a lot better after age 23. Does anyone remember Lou Brock or Ozzie Smith? Is Grichuk going to be another player of that caliber? Don’t know, but it is a possibility. Reyes certainly has potential. Yeah I know potential doesn’t always produce results, but a lot of great player have been traded before a team realized what they had. Can you say Adam Wainright? Sure the Cards could use some help with starting pitching, but I don’t believe in selling the farm." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Another case of a fan over rating their own talent. Sale..."one of the 15 best pitchers in baseball at the moment." Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 How many more "trade Sale" threads can we make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) Kill this thread. That article is another fanboy article and the way the rumor started is just some guy seeing Sale pitch well and long for him to be on his beloved Cardinals. Gotta agree with Greg on this. The Sox pass hard on that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I love how the last sentence calls Sale a "top 15 pitcher in baseball" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Let's make this a cardinals haterade thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ugh. I don't see a fit with STL. We would need a huge headline player to start a deal, and I don't see Martinez being it. The other side is that I don't see STL wanting to give up enough to get Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) Another case of a fan over rating their own talent. Sale..."one of the 15 best pitchers in baseball at the moment." Lol #1 is one of the top 15, amiright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) Ugh. I don't see a fit with STL. We would need a huge headline player to start a deal, and I don't see Martinez being it. The other side is that I don't see STL wanting to give up enough to get Sale. They would have made sense a couple years ago but between the tragedy and the fact that many of their players have now arrived and are contributing to the team, they had even dropped out of the top 15 systems according to BA and others by the start of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Ugh. I don't see a fit with STL. We would need a huge headline player to start a deal, and I don't see Martinez being it. The other side is that I don't see STL wanting to give up enough to get Sale. Did you even read the article? Martinez will be worth 3/4's of Sale alone. And Grichuk? He's a 4.6-5.7 WAR player going forward. Way too valuable for a top 15 pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Holy balls is that annoying. I couldn't get past the second paragraph. You don't have to explain every stat to me. WHAT IS WITH ALL THE DAMN EXCLAMATION POINTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) These won't stopping popping up until the Sox are good and relevant again. If the Cardinals want to deal for Quintana, i'd definitely listen to what they had to say. Edited July 2, 2015 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Chris is also a top 50 pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Did you even read the article? Martinez will be worth 3/4's of Sale alone. And Grichuk? He's a 4.6-5.7 WAR player going forward. Way too valuable for a top 15 pitcher. Smashing my head against my desk made it kind of hard to read the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 There's a TON of misuse of sabermetric stats in this article. Really sad for a pretty highly-reputed blog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) There's a TON of misuse of sabermetric stats in this article. Really sad for a pretty highly-reputed blog. The whole article is freaking delusional. The point that Martinez is worth 3/4th of sale told me the guy was literally insane in the first place. Let alone the wild ass projections of guys with minimal big league experience or just the logic behind the well this guy pitched x innings and you should be impressed by he's thrown a bit more then Martinez (and that number being just over 5 innings a start...which is nothing to brag about). Whole thing was pathetic. Literally one of the worst pieces of trash I've read in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The next walk Grichuk takes will be his first. That was a terrible article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) How many more "trade Sale" threads can we make? 28 plus the Cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I don't know if I'd take that deal if the Sox only had Sale signed for 1.5 more seasons at $30M per. And the guy called Sale "one of the best 15 pitchers in the game." Hilarious. All that needs to be said. /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdupps Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Molina(32) Carpenter(29)and Wong (24) would be my response. That's the kind of impact trade I'd be looking for. Though Molina has a lot of mileage on those knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 QUOTE (jdupps @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 05:01 PM) Molina(32) Carpenter(29)and Wong (24) would be my response. That's the kind of impact trade I'd be looking for. Though Molina has a lot of mileage on those knees. That's awful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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