winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Keith Foulke, that's who He even gave up the only run, replacing Steve Sparks for the final inning. And Sparks wasn't tired. He had pitched only one inning against Anaheim. Maybe Foulke needed the work. Dunno. But the point is that -- again -- that this wasn't the time for a Jose Paniagua sighting. I hope somebody has told Jerry Manuel he was one swing of the bat away from certain unemployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Keith Foulke, that's who He even gave up the only run, replacing Steve Sparks for the final inning. And Sparks wasn't tired. He had pitched only one inning against Anaheim. Maybe Foulke needed the work. Dunno. But the point is that -- again -- that this wasn't the time for a Jose Paniagua sighting. I hope somebody has told Jerry Manuel he was one swing of the bat away from certain unemployment. Sorry to disagree with you, but Foulke had not pitched in three games. Gordon and Marte ptiched every game over the weekend, and had a night off thanks to Colon. Another night off for them would have been beneficial. Gordon won't be available for tonight, but Marte will. Check your facts before you rip JM for not bringing in his two best relievers in a 6 run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Keith Foulke, that's who He even gave up the only run, replacing Steve Sparks for the final inning. And Sparks wasn't tired. He had pitched only one inning against Anaheim. Maybe Foulke needed the work. Dunno. But the point is that -- again -- that this wasn't the time for a Jose Paniagua sighting. I hope somebody has told Jerry Manuel he was one swing of the bat away from certain unemployment. Sorry to disagree with you, but Foulke had not pitched in three games. Gordon and Marte ptiched every game over the weekend, and had a night off thanks to Colon. Another night off for them would have been beneficial. Gordon won't be available for tonight, but Marte will. Check your facts before you rip JM for not bringing in his two best relievers in a 6 run game. I know that Manuel didn't want to bring in either Gordon or Marte, but I still think that Koch should have been the man on the mound to see if he was healthy. He was here in the beginning of the season and at least kept cheering the other team members on to wins even when he was pitching so poorly. He didn't make excuses either or flip off umpires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Keith Foulke, that's who He even gave up the only run, replacing Steve Sparks for the final inning. And Sparks wasn't tired. He had pitched only one inning against Anaheim. Maybe Foulke needed the work. Dunno. But the point is that -- again -- that this wasn't the time for a Jose Paniagua sighting. I hope somebody has told Jerry Manuel he was one swing of the bat away from certain unemployment. Sorry to disagree with you, but Foulke had not pitched in three games. Gordon and Marte ptiched every game over the weekend, and had a night off thanks to Colon. Another night off for them would have been beneficial. Gordon won't be available for tonight, but Marte will. Check your facts before you rip JM for not bringing in his two best relievers in a 6 run game. I don't think he was asking for Gordon or Marte, although because of JM's horrible display of managing a pitching staff,you got one and almost got the other. The point I believe, was this is not the time or place to be experimenting with reclaimation projects. Save it for when your losing by 8 runs or for spring training. I hope Sox upper management finally saw the light last night, and wacks this guy at the end of the year. If the Sox make the playoffs the opposing manager will make him look overmatched again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 thanks for the support, Dick Allen we're on the same page I said in the post I wasn't sure if Foulke needed the work. obviously, he did. but the primary point was that the Sox should have been able to finish the 8th and 9th with Sullivan, Schoeneweis and WUNSCH. PERIOD. To treat a game as important as that game as a Cactus League game is to prove you've got no idea how to handle a bullpen. Haven't read any reaction from Kenny Williams or reinsdorf, but I would have loved to hear what they were saying after the fourth guy reached base on Joe Bread and Water. Bring Al Lopez home from Tampa for the next 19 games. The Senor knew how to handle a pitching staff. Manuel is a vacuum. If the Sox win the division, it will be DESPITE Jerry Manuel, not because of him. That's my story -- and I'm sticking with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 When did the Tigers trade Steve Sparks? Or am I thinking of a different Sparks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 When did the Tigers trade Steve Sparks? Or am I thinking of a different Sparks? Its the same guy. They designated him for assignment. Not sure if Oakland traded for him or if he was released by Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Its the same guy. They designated him for assignment. Not sure if Oakland traded for him or if he was released by Detroit. I wonder why they did that. Now as a starter, we was never much, but he seemed like a decent relief pitcher the few times I've seen him pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Its the same guy. They designated him for assignment. Not sure if Oakland traded for him or if he was released by Detroit. How demoralizing is that huh? You get released by a team that has a chance to lose 120 games in a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Couldn't be THAT demoralizing if you're picked up by a team with a chance to get to the World Series. you get to work with a top pitching coach -- Rick Peterson. No pressure to close because Foulke is there. If I'm steve sparks I'm thinking I hit the Powerball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 WGin83, I wasn't harping on you. I agree with you that JM has mismmanged this bullpen time and time again. I msunderstood yuor post, I thought you were asking for Gordon because Oakland used their closer in a blow-out game down the stretch. I jumped the gun.. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 no prob we're all in this together. just a bit annoying to turn an 8-2 lead into a nailbiter here's to smoother sailing tonight -- cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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