LittleHurt05 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Has to be a combination of our great pitchers and horrible hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Why would these change year to year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 01:17 PM) Why would these change year to year? Because they base them on the amount of offense produced in a given park in a given season. It's The Cell dropping is 100% a function of the offense being awful and pitching being pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) http://gosu02.tripod.com/id103.html That's super dated, and so it's probably a bit simplistic, but it gives a general idea. The tl;dr version: The runs per game at the Cell are compared to the runs in games which involve the Sox away from the Cell. So a bad offense and good pitching staff shouldn't really mess with the park factor because you're comparing it to the same bad offense and good pitching staff. Multiple years of data are used, with a weight towards more recent years. I'm guessing this fluky "4 runs or fewer at home" streak is responsible. So yes, the Sox' putrid offense is destroying not only their pitchers' W-L numbers, but also their WAR totals. Edited July 8, 2015 by shysocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 THE TEAM CAN'T HIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 The raw totals for the Sox: Pitching: 3.02 runs per game allowed at home, 5.92 away Offense: 2.74 runs per game scored at home, 4.15 away TOTAL: 5.77 RPG at USCF, 10.08 RPG in Sox away games That grades out to an absurd park factor of 0.58 which is then balanced out a bit by previous years. Weird all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) Because they base them on the amount of offense produced in a given park in a given season. It's The Cell dropping is 100% a function of the offense being awful and pitching being pretty good. Right, but isn't this supposed to measure how much the settings of the park affect the hitter/pitcher, not the team within? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 At the Cell: Sox runs/game: 3.11 Opponetns runs/game: 3.42 On the road: Sox runs/game: 3.67 Opponents runs/game: 5.23 While the Sox offense has sucked more at home on the road, it looks like the pitching/defense has been nearly two runs worse away from the Cell, and that's probably the biggest culprit. I wonder why that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) At the Cell: Sox runs/game: 3.11 Opponetns runs/game: 3.42 On the road: Sox runs/game: 3.67 Opponents runs/game: 5.23 While the Sox offense has sucked more at home on the road, it looks like the pitching/defense has been nearly two runs worse away from the Cell, and that's probably the biggest culprit. I wonder why that is. LittleHurt's numbers are correct, I made a mistake. Pay attention to this man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:11 PM) I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor So they really aren't "park factors". They are team factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) So they really aren't "park factors". They are team factors. From time to time, there are weird dips like this, but there is a reason why Coors Field is always at the top and AT&T Park is always at the bottom, and it doesn't have to do with the Giants or Rockies roster makeup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor Combo of Sox offense and our pitching staff (w/effects of small sample size and our pitching staff having some horrific road performances). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) Combo of Sox offense and our pitching staff. The lack of true Summer weather probably has something to do with the ball not jumping out of the park too. I haven't looked up any data to back this up, but the offensive numbers at The Cell are typically more inflated in the summer months. Edited July 8, 2015 by ChrisLikesBaseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) From time to time, there are weird dips like this, but there is a reason why Coors Field is always at the top and AT&T Park is always at the bottom, and it doesn't have to do with the Giants or Rockies roster makeup. So why can't we just put Coor's at the top and AT&T at the bottom permanently and not change them unless the dimensions of the park are changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) So why can't we just put Coor's at the top and AT&T at the bottom permanently and not change them unless the dimensions of the park are changed? This is what I'm wondering. Wouldn't you then throw this year away from park adjustment factors? I feel like this makes it like a "TOP 30 BEST UNIVERSITIES" when they change every year with no real justification. The dimension sat the cell have not changed...who cares if they are bad this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 This is the problem with trying to normalize numbers that do not have a linear relevancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFinn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I wonder if the colder than normal spring/summer in Chicago has anything to do with it. Coors field park effects changed when the Rockies started storing their baseballs in the humidor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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