Dunt Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I know a lot of people are a hard pass on Bruce, but this might be a good time to strike on him. His stock seems to be down and the Reds are not interested in paying any of his remaining salary. When I look at him versus our current RF situation, Bruce has a better ISO, BB%, better wOBA, and much better defensive defensive metrics than Avi. I realize he is a strikeout machine, but this team is in desparate need of power/offense and improving their holes on defense. If a package might be able to be centered around Avi and a prospect, I think this is something that the Sox should look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I wouldn't mind as long as the price doesn't include anyone too crazy. No Rodon or Anderson obviously. Avi I would be willing to trade, but I don't know if the Reds think that's enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) I know a lot of people are a hard pass on Bruce, but this might be a good time to strike on him. His stock seems to be down and the Reds are not interested in paying any of his remaining salary. When I look at him versus our current RF situation, Bruce has a better ISO, BB%, better wOBA, and much better defensive defensive metrics than Avi. I realize he is a strikeout machine, but this team is in desparate need of power/offense and improving their holes on defense. If a package might be able to be centered around Avi and a prospect, I think this is something that the Sox should look at. This is a rebuilding team. That sounds like a KW move. I would rather spend my dollars in the infield and behind the plate than on getting rid of Avi at the moment. Bruce is an upgrade but I dont want to use anything of value for an OF at this point. Especially NL outfielders. Edited July 13, 2015 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) I know a lot of people are a hard pass on Bruce, but this might be a good time to strike on him. His stock seems to be down and the Reds are not interested in paying any of his remaining salary. When I look at him versus our current RF situation, Bruce has a better ISO, BB%, better wOBA, and much better defensive defensive metrics than Avi. I realize he is a strikeout machine, but this team is in desparate need of power/offense and improving their holes on defense. If a package might be able to be centered around Avi and a prospect, I think this is something that the Sox should look at. Meh. Depends what you'd have to give up. Not a huge Bruce fan, but if they want to give him away for someone taking on his salary and maybe a B prospect, I'd be more interested. Doubt that'll happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Rumor over the winter was that the Sox made a hard push for him. Never did hear if that was true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Bruce has very poor plate discipline and batting average. Is that someone that the Sox need to add? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) Bruce has very poor plate discipline and batting average. Is that someone that the Sox need to add? Yeah I had this thought too. We've had way too many left handed swing and miss power hitters recently. But outside of last year, Bruce has been a far better hitter than Adam Dunn from a BA standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Hmmm, let's see another middle aged, .250 hitter with declining power and a lot of strike outs? Sounds familiar .............. No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) Bruce has very poor plate discipline and batting average. Is that someone that the Sox need to add? He has a 10% walk rate every year and a higher ISO than anybody currently playing on the Sox. I think most lineups would be happy to add him, especially ours. That said, I don't see him as a great fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Yeah I had this thought too. We've had way too many left handed swing and miss power hitters recently. But outside of last year, Bruce has been a far better hitter than Adam Dunn from a BA standpoint. Adam Dunn was better than Sox Adam Dunn prior to his arrival. Who's the last power hitter to actually improve by being on the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I've always been a fan of Bruce, and I think I would trade Avi and a prospect for Bruce. My reasons are because he would bring a much needed lefty bat with power and can still play an above average RF. As he gets older, he can slide into the DH spot to replace LaRoche. This is totally out of left field but, here me out. What IF, Sox did trade LaRoche this year, trade for Bruce as a building block for the future for Avi, and then sign Heyward in the winter, so then Bruce and maybe Melky could interchange at DH. CF Eaton SS Saladino/FA 1B Abreu LF Bruce DH Cabrera RF Heyward 3B Davidson/FA C Flowers 2B Sanchez/Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Adam Dunn was better than Sox Adam Dunn prior to his arrival. Who's the last power hitter to actually improve by being on the Sox? Carlos Quentin. Maybe Rios could count too but there was a 1.5 year delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Adam Dunn was better than Sox Adam Dunn prior to his arrival. Who's the last power hitter to actually improve by being on the Sox? Jim Thome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Adam Dunn was better than Sox Adam Dunn prior to his arrival. Who's the last power hitter to actually improve by being on the Sox? I'll go a step further and say who was that last hitter to actually play up to career norm or better with the sox? Edited July 13, 2015 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'd trade Melky and LaRoche for Bruce, nobody else except guys like Beckham and Boni and Conor and nobody wants those stiffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) I know a lot of people are a hard pass on Bruce, but this might be a good time to strike on him. His stock seems to be down and the Reds are not interested in paying any of his remaining salary. When I look at him versus our current RF situation, Bruce has a better ISO, BB%, better wOBA, and much better defensive defensive metrics than Avi. I realize he is a strikeout machine, but this team is in desparate need of power/offense and improving their holes on defense. If a package might be able to be centered around Avi and a prospect, I think this is something that the Sox should look at. No If it fails the first time, keep doing it again and again so we can keep on failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) I'd trade Melky and LaRoche for Bruce, nobody else except guys like Beckham and Boni and Conor and nobody wants those stiffs. You make lots of posts that make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) I'd trade Melky and LaRoche for Bruce, nobody else except guys like Beckham and Boni and Conor and nobody wants those stiffs. The Reds want to trade Bruce to shed salary and you're going to to offer them two underperforming guys that would significantly increase their payroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) The Reds want to trade Bruce to shed salary and you're going to to offer them two underperforming guys that would significantly increase their payroll? i.e. he believes (wisely) that we should not trade for Bruce. Edited July 13, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) He has a 10% walk rate every year and a higher ISO than anybody currently playing on the Sox. I think most lineups would be happy to add him, especially ours. That said, I don't see him as a great fit. He might not be a great fit, but I'm having a hard time identifying where we are expecting to find power moving forward. Prior to last years disasterous season due to rushing back from a knee injury, Bruce's lowest HR total of his career was 21. Im not even sure 3/4's of this starting lineup can peak at a number like that. The Sox have the pitching to win now, they desparately need offense and improved defense. Where is that coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Trade for young players? Develop young players. Like Avi, before jettisoning him for that "proven veteran" Bruce is a good hitter, but a)will it continue and b)his D is average. Better than Avi, but average. The Sox farm system hasn't been overly productive, but it's been a lot more productive than Kenny Williams' trades for those "proven veterans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 03:34 PM) The Sox farm system hasn't been overly productive, but it's been a lot more productive than Kenny Williams' trades for those "proven veterans". For the lineup? I really don't think this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) Trade for young players? Develop young players. Like Avi, before jettisoning him for that "proven veteran" Bruce is a good hitter, but a)will it continue and b)his D is average. Better than Avi, but average. The Sox farm system hasn't been overly productive, but it's been a lot more productive than Kenny Williams' trades for those "proven veterans". Avi has proven a pretty useless major league piece at this point. He is weak hitting, atrocious fielding corner outfielder who doesnt walk and strikes out a bunch. He has been below replacement level for his career thus far. I would rather have the "proven veteran" with the 100 pt higher ISO manning a position that requires you to be a power hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't see the point considering we have what appear to be three competent outfielders at this point. Bruce isn't so good that I'd fill what aren't totally gaping holes. I think we'd like to do something about Avi at some point, but you're not going to make a trade this season and bench Avi in his first full year in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:32 PM) He might not be a great fit, but I'm having a hard time identifying where we are expecting to find power moving forward. Prior to last years disasterous season due to rushing back from a knee injury, Bruce's lowest HR total of his career was 21. Im not even sure 3/4's of this starting lineup can peak at a number like that. The Sox have the pitching to win now, they desparately need offense and improved defense. Where is that coming from? If you're after improved defense, I'm not sure Bruce is your man beyond anyone being an improvement over Avi. Other than that, you make a pretty compelling case. We'd all love to trade for young players, but nobody wants to trade their young players. Here's a guy who hits year after year with a fair contract whose team would be happy to get rid of him. It just doesn't feel like the type of move the Sox should be making. I can't articulate why. Maybe it's that if we assume Shark walks after the season, we really have no idea if the Sox have the pitching to win now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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