Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'd be totally fine with adding Jay Bruce because there's also a DH spot in the AL. I would not entertain trading Q for him though which was entertained in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 This type of move is the opposite of what the Sox should do - if they're buying or selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) I don't see the point considering we have what appear to be three competent outfielders at this point. Bruce isn't so good that I'd fill what aren't totally gaping holes. I think we'd like to do something about Avi at some point, but you're not going to make a trade this season and bench Avi in his first full year in MLB. While we would like to consider them competent, the best WAR in the outfield is currently Adam Eaton at 0.0. Additionally, not one of them has a wRC+ over 93 or an ISO over 140. You absolutely need power out of your corner positions and our lack of it is a large reason for why the Sox are dead last in offense in the league. If Bruce were on the Sox right now, he would immediately have the best WAR of any position player. I am trying to think big picture here. This team needs to infuse offense while improving it's defense. Bruce is a massive upgrade offensively over Avi and a slightly better defender. Sure, I would love for the Sox to go after Jason Heyward, someone who provides value both offensively and defensively, but I know the Sox wouldnt go anywhere near that type of contract. Bruce seems like the type of move that would make sense, especially if they could find a taker for LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) While we would like to consider them competent, the best WAR in the outfield is currently Adam Eaton at 0.0. Additionally, not one of them has a wRC+ over 93 or an ISO over 140. Not worried about Melky. He had a tough first couple months, a lot of which is attributable to bad luck. Sure, his power has been hard to find, but pretty much everyone in the lineups has been. Melky will earn his contract when all is said and done. I also don't worry about Eaton - just a tough year so far. Bruce is a fine player, but he really isn't the type of the guy the Sox should add. I do agree with you general sentiment though - that being, the Sox need to figure out C, 3B and RF/or DH this offseason. I personally am not ready to kick the can on Avi, so Bruce to me doesn't make a ton of sense. But as I said earlier, if they're willing to trade basically as a salary dump with maybe a B level prospect going back, it starts to make a little sense. But I just don't see that as likely, and Bruce is the type of player that have not worked out well for the Sox at all in recent history. Edited July 13, 2015 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 10 years ago Jay Bruce would have made sense, give his current contract, declining performance and the drag that will accompany him moving between the leagues he is not a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'd give up Avi for Bruce in a heartbeat before even considering the implications or direction of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) Avi has proven a pretty useless major league piece at this point. He is weak hitting, atrocious fielding corner outfielder who doesnt walk and strikes out a bunch. He has been below replacement level for his career thus far. I would rather have the "proven veteran" with the 100 pt higher ISO manning a position that requires you to be a power hitter. Avi needs to improve - and he certainly may. He needs to pull the ball some. Sox would rarely develop a young player given the patience for them in these parts. But I've seen so many of these veterans on their even or downward plane, immediately trend downward fast. The contract is heavy and he'd cost more than Avi. Patching with veterans has failed miserably. Edited July 13, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) Avi has proven a pretty useless major league piece at this point. He is weak hitting, atrocious fielding corner outfielder who doesnt walk and strikes out a bunch. He has been below replacement level for his career thus far. I would rather have the "proven veteran" with the 100 pt higher ISO manning a position that requires you to be a power hitter. Not saying you are wrong, but I didn't realize Avi stunk this much. Is he this big a disaster or are you exaggerating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I'd pass on Bruce for reasons already mentioned. I didn't like the idea last winter and it has even less appeal to me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 10:12 PM) I'd give up Avi for Bruce in a heartbeat before even considering the implications or direction of the team. for me, that salary is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 11:00 PM) Avi needs to improve - and he certainly may. He needs to pull the ball some. Sox would rarely develop a young player given the patience for them in these parts. But I've seen so many of these veterans on their even or downward plane, immediately trend downward fast. The contract is heavy and he'd cost more than Avi. Patching with veterans has failed miserably. excatly..... but remember avi is young. this may be his first yr without getter hurt and his first yr period. he is going to get much better. big mistake to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) While we would like to consider them competent, the best WAR in the outfield is currently Adam Eaton at 0.0. Additionally, not one of them has a wRC+ over 93 or an ISO over 140. You absolutely need power out of your corner positions and our lack of it is a large reason for why the Sox are dead last in offense in the league. If Bruce were on the Sox right now, he would immediately have the best WAR of any position player. I am trying to think big picture here. This team needs to infuse offense while improving it's defense. Bruce is a massive upgrade offensively over Avi and a slightly better defender. Sure, I would love for the Sox to go after Jason Heyward, someone who provides value both offensively and defensively, but I know the Sox wouldnt go anywhere near that type of contract. Bruce seems like the type of move that would make sense, especially if they could find a taker for LaRoche. Eaton has been a carbon copy of his 2014 self since the beginning of May and I'm making the leap of faith that Melky's recent production is going to become the norm as it has the past few seasons. Avi sticks out here because his defense hurts his value so badly but he is also IMO the highest upside bat as well as the one who could most plausibly take leaps forward. It's not so much that Bruce wouldn't be an improvement, since he probably would be, but the marginal gain compared to getting a lesser player at a different position makes it not worth it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) Not saying you are wrong, but I didn't realize Avi stunk this much. Is he this big a disaster or are you exaggerating? Doesn't look great so far. He needs about 1500 plate appearances though regardless of what Soxtalk thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 09:04 PM) Doesn't look great so far. He needs about 1500 plate appearances though regardless of what Soxtalk thinks. He'll get that...the problem is that "teams that are trying to compete right now" can't afford too many positions where guys are working in and adapting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) Not saying you are wrong, but I didn't realize Avi stunk this much. Is he this big a disaster or are you exaggerating? My vote is exaggerating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 08:25 PM) He'll get that...the problem is that "teams that are trying to compete right now" can't afford too many positions where guys are working in and adapting. And that is the one thing I have agreed with you on. They obviously saw Sale/Q/Abreu and decided to expedite the rebuild but guys like Avi, Micah, etc truly need a ton of time before anyone reaches final conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Do not see Bruce helping much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 28 years old and since 2010: 254 /329/468 115 OPS+. Bats left, kind of all over the place on defence (has had a +17 and +18 DRS, but also a -7 season). You get him for this year, and next. I wouldn't totally be against it, but it depends on what the Reds want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) Not saying you are wrong, but I didn't realize Avi stunk this much. Is he this big a disaster or are you exaggerating? I mean, the numbers are there for everyone. He has his lowest ISO, wOBA, SLG%, K%, OPS, etc. of his young career this season and hasn't shown any real signs of improving either offensively or defensively. He still takes awful angles on balls in the OF and has limited range despite being blessed with his "speed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Give up on a young player 2 years left on deal expensive; average defensively Low OBP High K another stopgap We've seen this act before and it's an approach that has consistently FAILED. Edited July 14, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 11:40 PM) Give up on a young player 2 years left on deal expensive; average defensively Low OBP High K another stopgap We've seen this act before and it's an approach that has consistently FAILED. Bruce has posted an OBP above league average 5 of the last 6 years, with the one exception being last year's injury-caused down year. He's a good hitter with plus power and he even handles lefties well, something that would satisfy a lot of people who are tired of LaRoche. How long all of that is set to continue and whether it would with a team/league change are up for debate. There are reasons this makes sense and reasons it doesn't. Good thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 14, 2015 -> 02:55 PM) Bruce has posted an OBP above league average 5 of the last 6 years, with the one exception being last year's injury-caused down year. He's a good hitter with plus power and he even handles lefties well, something that would satisfy a lot of people who are tired of LaRoche. How long all of that is set to continue and whether it would with a team/league change are up for debate. There are reasons this makes sense and reasons it doesn't. Good thread. for me, getting Bruce if cincy is trying to do a salary cut. then maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 .325 is not a good OBP for a power hitter. His walks are up this year, but his homers are down, his doubles are down from 2013 (I'll ignore 2014). Gone down this road too many times without learning a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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