CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) Oh if we could package Shark for Puig I'd love it. Issue is Puig is cost controlled. Shark is a rental. Doesn't match up. Matches up with other pieces involved. Weren't we talking about a blockbuster ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) I don't know. I'm not guessing that teams are lining up to take some of the Rockies hitters and their salaries. Bmags was right on. A few years ago, Cargo/Tulo were primetime players...now, you're looking at being on the wrong end of some of these contracts. I'd take the gamble with Cargo. Not so much with Tulowitzki. Exactly even if a big time trade goes down the Sox aren' t going to take on a lot of salary. That's why Puig is ideal . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) Oh if we could package Shark for Puig I'd love it. Issue is Puig is cost controlled. Shark is a rental. Doesn't match up. I'd offer a package of Shark, Putnam, & Montas for Puig. You hope that Puig, Erik Johnson, & Nate Jones in aggragate is an upgrade over Avi, Shark, & Putnam. If not, still sets you up nicely for the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Quintana for Puig is the only move that makes sense for both sides. The White Sox get a cost-controlled player how in the right environment is one of the top 3-5 players in the game and a legit superstar. He also could be a bust. The Dodgers get incredible consistency out of the #3 spot going into the playoffs, and, with Ryu, that provides them a formidable rotation in the coming years. Not to mention there's at least a 50/50 chance they can't retain Greinke's services, so they really need solid/reliable pitching, not veteran 4/5 guys who are placeholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) Quintana for Puig is the only move that makes sense for both sides. The White Sox get a cost-controlled player how in the right environment is one of the top 3-5 players in the game and a legit superstar. He also could be a bust. The Dodgers get incredible consistency out of the #3 spot going into the playoffs, and, with Ryu, that provides them a formidable rotation in the coming years. Not to mention there's at least a 50/50 chance they can't retain Greinke's services, so they really need solid/reliable pitching, not veteran 4/5 guys who are placeholders. It makes too much sense actually. Both cost controlled. LA is looking for a LH cost controlled pitcher. We need a hitter. Matches up well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I personally would much rather move Avi, Montas in a package for Cargo plus Cash. I like Q too much to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:03 PM) I'd offer a package of Shark, Putnam, & Montas for Puig. You hope that Puig, Erik Johnson, & Nate Jones in aggragate is an upgrade over Avi, Shark, & Putnam. If not, still sets you up nicely for the next few years. The problem with this is it's basically two relievers (Montas hasn't proven he can be an effective starter and go 7+ innings consistently) and a rental. Maybe the Dodgers would bite on it, but they'll hold out for Quintana. Obviously, we are not in a position at present time to deal both Q and Shark, that would end our playoff run before it even gets started. Or they might counter, it will take Shark, Anderson and Montas for Puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) I personally would much rather move Avi, Montas in a package for Cargo plus Cash. I like Q too much to move him. I'd rather do this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) I personally would much rather move Avi, Montas in a package for Cargo plus Cash. I like Q too much to move him. It's nuts to give up any prospects for CarGo unless they're eating a significant amount of that contract. It's not unlike when the Sox claimed Alex Rios. Somehow, if KW were at the controls, he'd probably be the only team in baseball to assume that contract as well. Trading Garcia, sure, might make sense but anything beyond that (Montas/Anderson) is just making it harder to compete over the next couple fo seasons. I detest those White Sox "cost savings" moves that deplete our talent base in return for more profitability. If you want Anderson/Montas AND to get rid of CarGo's contract, it better be more along the lines of the Thome deal. Even then, I don't think at his age and with the league change that he's going to be anything but a shadow of his former self in the AL. Edited July 28, 2015 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) It's nuts to give up any prospects for CarGo unless they're eating a significant amount of that contract. It's not unlike when the Sox claimed Alex Rios. Somehow, if KW were at the controls, he'd probably be the only team in baseball to assume that contract as well. Trading Garcia, sure, might make sense but anything beyond that (Montas/Anderson) is just making it harder to compete over the next couple fo seasons. I detest those White Sox "cost savings" moves that deplete our talent base in return for more profitability. If you want Anderson/Montas AND to get rid of CarGo's contract, it better be more along the lines of the Thome deal. Even then, I don't think at his age and with the league change that he's going to be anything but a shadow of his former self in the AL. I think him moving to the AL and DHing part time is exactly what he needs. He's healthy and on a tear right now. I'm also not saying take on the full 2/37 either. Edited July 28, 2015 by Bigsoxhurt35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 @philgrogers: Yes, Yasiel Puig and Jose Abreu were teammates in Cuba. Yes, White Sox love Cuban players. Yes, they need bats & can offer SP. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 This Puig train is gaining steam. This is up KW alley. Makes too much sense. I'd almost be tempted to get on it if we take 3 of 4 from BOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 @philgrogers: If @Dodgers really make Puig available, per an @BNightengale report, White Sox would explore. But Abreu, Puig are not especially close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I like the Q-Puig swap idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 They don't need to be close. Just co-exist. Get this kid out of LA and into a hard working locker room. Whip him into shape and get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 If we're going for it, I don't want to give up any of the four main starters for Puig. If you could build a package around prospects for Puig - I'm 100% in. But otherwise, the Sox need Sale-Q-Shark-Rodon intact to make a push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) If we're going for it, I don't want to give up any of the four main starters for Puig. If you could build a package around prospects for Puig - I'm 100% in. But otherwise, the Sox need Sale-Q-Shark-Rodon intact to make a push. So Tim Anderson package? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) @philgrogers: If @Dodgers really make Puig available, per an @BNightengale report, White Sox would explore. But Abreu, Puig are not especially close. I only care about on the field could care less if they are not good friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) The problem with this is it's basically two relievers (Montas hasn't proven he can be an effective starter and go 7+ innings consistently) and a rental. Maybe the Dodgers would bite on it, but they'll hold out for Quintana. Obviously, we are not in a position at present time to deal both Q and Shark, that would end our playoff run before it even gets started. Or they might counter, it will take Shark, Anderson and Montas for Puig. How many minor league pitching prospects have proven they can go 7+ innings consistently at the major league level? Way too early to write him off as a reliever. He's a legit top 100 prospect. On top of that, they're getting one of the best rental starters available and a very solid setup man with team control left. If the Dodgers have really soured on Puig and believe they have the OF depth to replace him immediately, that's a trade that can help them now plus provide some long-term upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:23 PM) So Tim Anderson package? Anyone but. Maybe something like Avi, Montas, Adams and May Edited July 28, 2015 by staxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:21 PM) I like the Q-Puig swap idea. I don't understand why anyone wants to trade Q with Samardzija also leaving That hurts the staff big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) I only care about on the field could care less if they are not good friends. Chemistry absolutely matters though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (staxx @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:27 PM) Anyone but. Maybe something like Avi, Montas, Adams and May Why would the Dodgers want Avi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) If we're going for it, I don't want to give up any of the four main starters for Puig. If you could build a package around prospects for Puig - I'm 100% in. But otherwise, the Sox need Sale-Q-Shark-Rodon intact to make a push. You want to keep Shark ? If we get any decent ballplayers Shark is going to have to be moved and replaced by Johnson .Shark alone won't do it though . Has to be bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) I have every amount of faith in KW to trade away a talent like Rodon is some effort to get a bat solely based on a 5 game spree from a sub .500 team. Rodon isn't going anywhere unless we getting a cheap hitting superstar. Rodon might be less likely to be traded then Sale at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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