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QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:39 PM)
Come on man, if you can get Puig for Q and Danks you take it and run.

 

i just don't know..... i can see the talent and the hoopla about him, but i don't trust him to do what is needed to maintain his skill level.

 

and i am making this disclaimer of my bias of not liking Puig.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM)
The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale?

 

Come on Sox fans, think this through.

 

You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM)
The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale?

 

Come on Sox fans, think this through.

Puig for Q and Danks isn't even realistic but it would be a steal. Puig is nearly a match for just Q, and I'd rather have him than a few Maybes. Quality over quantity.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:48 PM)
The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale?

 

Come on Sox fans, think this through.

 

i would also add, if you don't mind. the sox are giving up 2 PITCHING assets and no pitching coming back.

 

shark - unsure him coming back

Q - traded

Rodon- starter

Dank - traded

Sale - ace / starter.

 

that is 2 known sp's starting the next season.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:52 PM)
You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week.

 

and you dig a hole in the starting rotation. let alone if he will maintain his level of play. also throw in his attitude that has been documented.

 

too much.

 

you take an asset that can provide mlb ready prospects to continue to build the team. according to the sox FO, this is a 3yr plan.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:52 PM)
You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week.

Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone?

 

 

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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:59 PM)
Losing Danks isn't really creating a hole in the rotation. He already is a hole.

and until the sox buys him out, he gets the ball every 5 game. whether anyone likes it or not.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:00 PM)
Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone?

 

i hate to correct you but it is 3 sp's.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:00 PM)
Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone?

No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:55 PM)
i would also add, if you don't mind. the sox are giving up 2 PITCHING assets and no pitching coming back.

 

shark - unsure him coming back

Q - traded

Rodon- starter

Dank - traded

Sale - ace / starter.

 

that is 2 known sp's starting the next season.

 

 

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:59 PM)
and you dig a hole in the starting rotation. let alone if he will maintain his level of play. also throw in his attitude that has been documented.

 

too much.

 

you take an asset that can provide mlb ready prospects to continue to build the team. according to the sox FO, this is a 3yr plan.

 

Absolutely agreed. Well done. :headbang

 

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:00 PM)
Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone?

 

i hate to ruin anybodies parade, but the sox doesn't need help in the outfield. so why add to that and let the other holes go untouched.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:00 PM)
Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone?

You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start.

 

You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes.

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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:01 PM)
No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes.

 

and i agree, but puig is not the player and or position that needs help.

 

lets say this, puig comes to the sox, the sox have more holes in the rotation, and the sox have 5 players for 4 position.

 

3 -of

1-dh

 

 

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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:01 PM)
No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes.

Again, how do the Sox plug those holes after they trade a huge asset like Q away for one player? Seems nobody has an answer for that question. The Sox aren't going to continue dipping into FA.

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QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:06 PM)
Again, how do the Sox plug those holes after they trade a huge asset like Q away for one player? Seems nobody has an answer for that question. The Sox aren't going to continue dipping into FA.

Answer the inverse. Show me a Q trade that plugs them all.

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QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:04 PM)
You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start.

 

You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes.

 

b-ball is a bunch of maybe's ....

 

look at the b-ball draft. a bunch of maybes.

 

there is no certainties. unless you trade a known player for know players.

 

 

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 03:05 PM)
and i agree, but puig is not the player and or position that needs help.

 

lets say this, puig comes to the sox, the sox have more holes in the rotation, and the sox have 5 players for 4 position.

 

3 -of

1-dh

Our corner outfielders are terrible. We have a -2.0 fWAR from our corner outfielders this year, RF and LF combined. That is solidly the worst in baseball, the Phillies are next at -1.2. Only 4 teams in baseball are negative. Hell, we are easily the worst OF in baseball when you combine our CF spot also being the worst.

 

Maybe you think one of those guys will do better next year, maybe they all will, but until that happens it's fair to say the White Sox have the worst outfield in baseball. Hands down, not even close.

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QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:04 PM)
You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start.

 

You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes.

Thank you for admitting you don't have the answer to a very important question.

 

Again, if the Sox wait until the off season to trade Q there will 29 other team calling Hahn. Q most certainly could fill a few holes at the major league level and bring back some very young minkr league talent with 29 teams willing to take on a pitcher of his caliper and cheap contract. It would be an all out bidding war for Q.

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Getting honest to god elite talent from a position player is a nice return for Q. I have no confidence in us correctly judging minor league hitters and getting them to big leagues. I have every confidence we will field a great pitching staff for next 4-5 years.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:10 PM)
now show me how trading for Puig will plug those holes????

 

i am flipping this to you.

Nobody is saying it will. My position is that I would rather get a slam dunk at one position than a bunch of prospects at a few positions. Get the slam dunk, sort out the rest later.

 

Again, to the room, I feel compelled to acknowledge that Q + Danks for Puig is so lopsided in the Sox' favor that it wouldn't happen anyway.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:12 PM)
Our corner outfielders are terrible. We have a -2.0 fWAR from our corner outfielders this year, RF and LF combined. That is solidly the worst in baseball, the Phillies are next at -1.2. Only 4 teams in baseball are negative. Hell, we are easily the worst OF in baseball when you combine our CF spot also being the worst.

 

Maybe you think one of those guys will do better next year, maybe they all will, but until that happens it's fair to say the White Sox have the worst outfield in baseball. Hands down, not even close.

 

those stats while true are an after thought. i can't argue against stats.

 

but i will debate moving an asset to get Puig and leaving the holes unaccounted for. this team first needs to be able to field a team to challenge the other teams. then it can fine tune the other parts.

 

this trade, whether others agree or not, will expose the team with more problems.

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