LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:39 PM) Come on man, if you can get Puig for Q and Danks you take it and run. i just don't know..... i can see the talent and the hoopla about him, but i don't trust him to do what is needed to maintain his skill level. and i am making this disclaimer of my bias of not liking Puig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale? Come on Sox fans, think this through. You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale? Come on Sox fans, think this through. Puig for Q and Danks isn't even realistic but it would be a steal. Puig is nearly a match for just Q, and I'd rather have him than a few Maybes. Quality over quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) The Sox need hitters throughout the organization so taking one of your top three assets and combining it with your worst asset to get one hitter is a good idea? Meanwhile the Sox as an organization are still devoid of hitters so what do the Sox do to get more hitters? Trade Sale? Come on Sox fans, think this through. i would also add, if you don't mind. the sox are giving up 2 PITCHING assets and no pitching coming back. shark - unsure him coming back Q - traded Rodon- starter Dank - traded Sale - ace / starter. that is 2 known sp's starting the next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Losing Danks isn't really creating a hole in the rotation. He already is a hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:52 PM) You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week. and you dig a hole in the starting rotation. let alone if he will maintain his level of play. also throw in his attitude that has been documented. too much. you take an asset that can provide mlb ready prospects to continue to build the team. according to the sox FO, this is a 3yr plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) You take a kid already at some prospects age with 2 years experience already with success over "prospects that deepen the farm" everyday of the week. Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) Losing Danks isn't really creating a hole in the rotation. He already is a hole. and until the sox buys him out, he gets the ball every 5 game. whether anyone likes it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone? i hate to correct you but it is 3 sp's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone? No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) i would also add, if you don't mind. the sox are giving up 2 PITCHING assets and no pitching coming back. shark - unsure him coming back Q - traded Rodon- starter Dank - traded Sale - ace / starter. that is 2 known sp's starting the next season. QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) and you dig a hole in the starting rotation. let alone if he will maintain his level of play. also throw in his attitude that has been documented. too much. you take an asset that can provide mlb ready prospects to continue to build the team. according to the sox FO, this is a 3yr plan. Absolutely agreed. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone? i hate to ruin anybodies parade, but the sox doesn't need help in the outfield. so why add to that and let the other holes go untouched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Great, one hole has been filled. Now the Sox only need to fill 3B, C, SS, 2B and two starting pitchers but hey, they would have Puig. How do the Sox fill those holes now that one of their top assets are gone? You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start. You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes. and i agree, but puig is not the player and or position that needs help. lets say this, puig comes to the sox, the sox have more holes in the rotation, and the sox have 5 players for 4 position. 3 -of 1-dh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) No one said getting Puig instantly plugs all of our holes. Again, how do the Sox plug those holes after they trade a huge asset like Q away for one player? Seems nobody has an answer for that question. The Sox aren't going to continue dipping into FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Again, how do the Sox plug those holes after they trade a huge asset like Q away for one player? Seems nobody has an answer for that question. The Sox aren't going to continue dipping into FA. Answer the inverse. Show me a Q trade that plugs them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start. You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes. b-ball is a bunch of maybe's .... look at the b-ball draft. a bunch of maybes. there is no certainties. unless you trade a known player for know players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Answer the inverse. Show me a Q trade that plugs them all. i Q will not net a rtn of where all holes gets plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:08 PM) Answer the inverse. Show me a Q trade that plugs them all. now show me how trading for Puig will plug those holes???? i am flipping this to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) and i agree, but puig is not the player and or position that needs help. lets say this, puig comes to the sox, the sox have more holes in the rotation, and the sox have 5 players for 4 position. 3 -of 1-dh Our corner outfielders are terrible. We have a -2.0 fWAR from our corner outfielders this year, RF and LF combined. That is solidly the worst in baseball, the Phillies are next at -1.2. Only 4 teams in baseball are negative. Hell, we are easily the worst OF in baseball when you combine our CF spot also being the worst. Maybe you think one of those guys will do better next year, maybe they all will, but until that happens it's fair to say the White Sox have the worst outfield in baseball. Hands down, not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) You figure it out. You've just saved $14 dumping Danks, that's a start. You're not gonna plug all those holes trading Q on his own anyway. You'll probably get back one very good prospect and some other stuff. Again, a bunch of Maybes. Thank you for admitting you don't have the answer to a very important question. Again, if the Sox wait until the off season to trade Q there will 29 other team calling Hahn. Q most certainly could fill a few holes at the major league level and bring back some very young minkr league talent with 29 teams willing to take on a pitcher of his caliper and cheap contract. It would be an all out bidding war for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Getting honest to god elite talent from a position player is a nice return for Q. I have no confidence in us correctly judging minor league hitters and getting them to big leagues. I have every confidence we will field a great pitching staff for next 4-5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) now show me how trading for Puig will plug those holes???? i am flipping this to you. Nobody is saying it will. My position is that I would rather get a slam dunk at one position than a bunch of prospects at a few positions. Get the slam dunk, sort out the rest later. Again, to the room, I feel compelled to acknowledge that Q + Danks for Puig is so lopsided in the Sox' favor that it wouldn't happen anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) Our corner outfielders are terrible. We have a -2.0 fWAR from our corner outfielders this year, RF and LF combined. That is solidly the worst in baseball, the Phillies are next at -1.2. Only 4 teams in baseball are negative. Hell, we are easily the worst OF in baseball when you combine our CF spot also being the worst. Maybe you think one of those guys will do better next year, maybe they all will, but until that happens it's fair to say the White Sox have the worst outfield in baseball. Hands down, not even close. those stats while true are an after thought. i can't argue against stats. but i will debate moving an asset to get Puig and leaving the holes unaccounted for. this team first needs to be able to field a team to challenge the other teams. then it can fine tune the other parts. this trade, whether others agree or not, will expose the team with more problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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