GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) "Samardzija couldn't even draw a package this good" doesn't make me feel particularly happy. Disagree with what you are implying. The A's are a rebuilding team that can wait for a guy like Nottingham to develop while Phegley is the stop gap. The Sox have stated this 3 year window, so if they are trading Jeff, they are probably looking at prospects in AA-AAA in the 22-25 age range that don't have that much more development time left, that they could just plug into their big league line up. It's just a matter if teams are willing to give that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) This is a bad way of looking at it though. Guys fall in the draft all the time. The value in the comp pick is the flexibility that it allows you throughout the draft. Stop looking at the value of the particular player chosen with the pick. but at least there is a point to compare it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) This makes absolute sense. And is absolutely a problem. The White Sox will not make many deals as sellers if they're trying to acquire the same types of players the buyers are attempting to acquire...the entire reason teams trade with one another is because of a diversity of needs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) Although Kazmir has more of an injury history, he's outperforming Samardzija this year so far. He's paid a tiny bit more, would translate to about $1 million extra in payroll during the last 2 months for Kazmir over Samardzija, but you get a guy performing better who also happens to be a lefty which is always a nice bonus. Hard to believe Samardzija could gather a much bigger return. But you never know. It's like selling tickets on Stubhub. Sometimes people panic and lower the price quickly for a sale while others hold firm and get their price. Sometimes it works out the other way. Is Kazmir a guy Beane would have offered arb? I don't know. Maybe Billy moved early fearing Kazmir might break down. Maybe it is a buyer's market. We don't really know. Right now, I don't see where the draft pick is that much worse than what Beane got. Maybe he needed the salary relief. That's another thing. Maybe the Sox pick up some of Shark's money for a better return. Has it been reported Oakland is doing the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Well atleast we have a clear idea now of who they want. Can kind of narrow down teams rosters when looking at the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Hahn needs to trade Shark now before he has no market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:26 PM) Disagree with what you are implying. The A's are a rebuilding team that can wait for a guy like Nottingham to develop while Phegley is the stop gap. The Sox have stated this 3 year window, so if they are trading Jeff, they are probably looking at prospects in AA-AAA in the 22-25 age range that don't have that much more development time left, that they could just plug into their big league line up. It's just a matter if teams are willing to give that up. but he doesn't have to be pegged as the next starting catcher but be added to the prospect pool that may be lacking in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 An obvious problem is also a shrinking market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) but he doesn't have to be pegged as the next starting catcher but be added to the prospect pool that may be lacking in that position. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think Sox management is because they have this "3 year window" set in their heads and Nottingham is at least a few years away. And probably wouldn't feel comfortable putting a rookie catcher in the thick of a playoff race when he is ready, if the Sox were in a playoff race down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) Again, the frustration comes from the reports in regards to the White Sox organization being clueless, not that they missed out on these particular prospects. I am sure the White Sox don't want it in the media they are selling. And couldn't telling a team you may not be interested in selling be a negotiating tool? As much as we would like to think so, JR, Hahn, and KW aren't really all that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) An obvious problem is also a shrinking market. that is the point. hamels, cueto, price and then the 2 nd level tiers of sp's now where you one add shark??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) that is the point. hamels, cueto, price and then the 2 nd level tiers of sp's now where you one add shark??? You can maybe hope the Dodgers. But they like Gallardo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) Disagree with what you are implying. The A's are a rebuilding team that can wait for a guy like Nottingham to develop while Phegley is the stop gap. The Sox have stated this 3 year window, so if they are trading Jeff, they are probably looking at prospects in AA-AAA in the 22-25 age range that don't have that much more development time left, that they could just plug into their big league line up. It's just a matter if teams are willing to give that up. Yes, the A's can wait on people...but if Samardzija couldn't draw a package this good and the White Sox are looking for MLB-ready talent, the conclusion one might come to is that the MLB-ready talent will be even weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:30 PM) I'm not disagreeing with you, but I think Sox management is because they have this "3 year window" set in their heads and Nottingham is at least a few years away. And probably wouldn't feel comfortable putting a rookie catcher in the thick of a playoff race when he is ready, if the Sox were in a playoff race down the road. many thanks and i agree with you.... but the sox really doesn't have depth in the catching dept. i can see a player like him a the next batch of prospect in 3 +yrs. i think may really address a catcher in a starting side sometime this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) Yes, the A's can wait on people...but if Samardzija couldn't draw a package this good and the White Sox are looking for MLB-ready talent, the conclusion one might come to is that the MLB-ready talent will be even weaker. You thinking someone like Leury Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) that is the point. hamels, cueto, price and then the 2 nd level tiers of sp's now where you one add shark??? Exactly. Hamels, Cueto, Price, Ross, Kennedy, Cashner, Shields, I'm sure I'm forgetting others, but that is a hefty list of good/great pitchers. 1-5 since the break, that should tell Sox management to sell and trade Shark before any of these other guys get traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) You thinking someone like Leury Garcia? Please don't make me think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:30 PM) I am sure the White Sox don't want it in the media they are selling. And couldn't telling a team you may not be interested in selling be a negotiating tool? As much as we would like to think so, JR, Hahn, and KW aren't really all that dumb. or that smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 It also sounds like 3 SD starters are available too (Shields, Ross, Cashner) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Please don't make me think about that. Sorry that's immediately who I thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) Yes, the A's can wait on people...but if Samardzija couldn't draw a package this good and the White Sox are looking for MLB-ready talent, the conclusion one might come to is that the MLB-ready talent will be even weaker. I completely agree unless you can get Norris or Pompey from Toronto (that are MLB ready). If Sox management aren't looking for prospects that need some time to develop, then I think Sox will take the comp pick. QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) many thanks and i agree with you.... but the sox really doesn't have depth in the catching dept. i can see a player like him a the next batch of prospect in 3 +yrs. i think may really address a catcher in a starting side sometime this off season. I'd like to go after Wieters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) It also sounds like 3 SD starters are available too (Shields, Ross, Cashner) Not quite sure we're in competition for either of those. Shields will probably pass through waivers and maybe someone would take a gamble on his contract after the deadline if one of their pitchers got hurt. Ross and Cashner are both guys with multiple arb years remaining, so they're in the boat of "teams looking for long-term options and willing to pay to get them". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 4m4 minutes ago Jays have lots of pieces that could be of interest: Jeff Hoffman, Daniel Norris, Dalton Pompey, Anthony Alford and more. Enough to go big. Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago OAK price for Toronto for Kazmir was something built around one of Jays' best pitching prospects -- too steep for Jays in a buyers' market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) And now supposedly the Indians are listening in on their starting pitchers Follow Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan Sources: Cleveland has been willing to listen on pitching, particularly Carlos Carrasco. May be a match there with Toronto. They've talked. Edited July 23, 2015 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) I completely agree unless you can get Norris or Pompey from Toronto (that are MLB ready). If Sox management aren't looking for prospects that need some time to develop, then I think Sox will take the comp pick. I'd like to go after Wieters. not i.... but that is for another time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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