Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 If the Sox have to hold on they get a draft pick. Still a nice fall back option. I thought Soxtalk loved draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:40 PM) If the Sox have to hold on they get a draft pick. Still a nice fall back option. I thought Soxtalk loved draft picks. that is a fall back possibility and i would love to have the phone number to jr phone.... i think i would start that talk like this ... "you daffy bastard" Edited July 23, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Gahhhhhhhh we weren't firsties!!! Wake up Han!....If you're not first you're last, right?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) My contacts are condemning behaviors of the FO. This is not a race to trade your asset. Yes, the market is shrinking and yes there are more pitchers available but that doesn't mean you undersell your only good asset on the market. I was saying we should have traded Samardzija earlier regardless of the team's hot streak. I am on record saying so. That doesn't mean that because the supposed top contender for Samardzija paired up with the strangest FO in baseball to trade for a different pitcher means the FO struck out on July 23rd. There are plenty of teams in the market for SP. I do think they should act quickly and move him soon but no trade between the two strangest front offices in baseball will get me to a conclusion that the Sox' FO totally f***ed up the trade deadline here on July 23rd. I have patience and understanding of the process so I won't make rash decisions based on one singular related transaction. At worst, we have a comp pick coming. That is the floor for any deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) My contacts are condemning behaviors of the FO. This is not a race to trade your asset. Yes, the market is shrinking and yes there are more pitchers available but that doesn't mean you undersell your only good asset on the market. I was saying we should have traded Samardzija earlier regardless of the team's hot streak. I am on record saying so. That doesn't mean that because the supposed top contender for Samardzija paired up with the strangest FO in baseball to trade for a different pitcher means the FO struck out on July 23rd. There are plenty of teams in the market for SP. I do think they should act quickly and move him soon but no trade between the two strangest front offices in baseball will get me to a conclusion that the Sox' FO totally f***ed up the trade deadline here on July 23rd. I have patience and understanding of the process so I won't make rash decisions based on one singular related transaction. Exactly. The rental market shrunk by one, for a package that initially in this thread was thought weak. I agree in I don't know why it is assumed the first trade of the trading season shows peak return value. There are still more teams that need pitchers than there are good pitchers really available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I dont think anybody is worried about being first to trade. But we're worried about what Hahn is going to get back if indeed he wants a MLB Ready Player. For Billy that was a pretty good return in prospects. But if your looking for MLB Ready Bats who knows what your going to get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I just want an offensive player who can contribute next year. I don't care if that's considered "narrow minded" or "so Kenny Williams". This pitching staff is a playoff caliber staff.. I would not have been that big a fan of the package from the Kaz deal. If you're gonna waste this pitching staff then you might as well trade off said pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:50 PM) That is the worst. Comp picks went from undervalued to overvalued. The Sox should sell low on Samardzija before settling for that. I would be furious if Jeff Samardzija is on the team August 1st. I think at the very least it should improve the offers you receive. And wouldn't it increase your draft pool? Does anyone know if Oakland is kicking in money in this trade? If not and the White Sox are willing to throw in a couple million, that should improve the return right there. Edited July 23, 2015 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) I think at the very least it should improve the offers you receive. Does anyone know if Oakland is kicking in money in this trade? If not and the White Sox are willing to get in a couple million, that should improve the return right there. That's very un-white-sox, at least at the July trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Yeah we said the same thing about Alex Rios. If I remember correctly we didnt take on a penny. We got pennies back ofcourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) I just want an offensive player who can contribute next year. I don't care if that's considered "narrow minded" or "so Kenny Williams". This pitching staff is a playoff caliber staff.. I would not have been that big a fan of the package from the Kaz deal. If you're gonna waste this pitching staff then you might as well trade off said pitching staff. I agree with the latter. I wouldn't mind a hitter, but if they could somehow get a Hoffman from Toronto...to me that would be a big win. They are going to have to find bats somewhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:03 PM) Yeah we said the same thing about Alex Rios. If I remember correctly we didnt take on a penny. We got pennies back ofcourse. Rios wasn't a rental. Supposedly Hahn said they were spending the savings on international guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) My contacts are condemning behaviors of the FO. This is not a race to trade your asset. Yes, the market is shrinking and yes there are more pitchers available but that doesn't mean you undersell your only good asset on the market. I was saying we should have traded Samardzija earlier regardless of the team's hot streak. I am on record saying so. That doesn't mean that because the supposed top contender for Samardzija paired up with the strangest FO in baseball to trade for a different pitcher means the FO struck out on July 23rd. There are plenty of teams in the market for SP. I do think they should act quickly and move him soon but no trade between the two strangest front offices in baseball will get me to a conclusion that the Sox' FO totally f***ed up the trade deadline here on July 23rd. I have patience and understanding of the process so I won't make rash decisions based on one singular related transaction. Well that is a very different line of thinking than "no one here has a backbone." Again, people here are reacting to the notion that the FO has no plan, not the particular players involved in this deal. Honestly, I agree with what the FO has said and that this is a 3-year window and not a 1-year window. As such, they need to move players who no longer fit into that 3-year window. I think the problem is they are trying to be a seller and a buyer at the same time and it's sending mixed signals to the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 03:12 PM) 75% of the posts were freaking out because Samardzija wasn't the first player traded. I believe the freakout had one other major component, this tweet: Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 55s55 seconds ago The #Astros also had Jeff Samardzija on their radar, but couldn't afford to wait for #WhiteSox to decide on a course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 05:21 PM) They wait too long. The "sellers" market became "not that much of a sellers market" pretty quickly. We will late until last day and get some reliever in AA and be like "well you don't know what the market was like!" They wait way too long. There's no law that says they can't trade a guy before the all star break or get details worked out during the break when the team is as bad as this one. Bad, bad front office. QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) If that's the case, you take the comp pick in the off season. That simple. Shark isn't the only guy that needs to be dealt asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) 75% of the posts were freaking out because Samardzija wasn't the first player traded. I think that shows a lack of fortitude. Be patient and have respect for the process. If you wanted to say the Sox should have been selling two weeks ago, not only is that a fair argument, I would agree with you. I think this mixed signals thing is overstated. In operations, it's all about contingencies if the FO you have is good. Right now the Sox are sifting through tens of prospects from more than five teams. They may not have had a specific package on the table ready where they could accept when ready, but they were still acting as sellers behind the scenes even if they were still seeing if they were in the hunt. The only difference is they weren't going to a pull the trigger. Well, we have a difference of opinion on the bolded. This has nothing to do with fortitude and more to do with fans being tired of giving the Org the benefit of the doubt when they've done virtually nothing to deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) I believe the freakout had one other major component, this tweet: Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 55s55 seconds ago The #Astros also had Jeff Samardzija on their radar, but couldn't afford to wait for #WhiteSox to decide on a course of action. People are taking that as meaning the Sox didn't know if they were buying or selling though. I don't think it means that. I just think it means they exchanged names with Houston and the Sox weren't ready to make a deal with them. Then Houston moved on with Oakland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) They wait way too long. There's no law that says they can't trade a guy before the all star break or get details worked out during the break when the team is as bad as this one. Bad, bad front office. Shark isn't the only guy that needs to be dealt asap. Greg, prepare to be disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You would think that this thread was for a sox trade for how much it blew up. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 06:47 PM) The FO only mistake has been holding out to see if the team could compete. Yeah and that's a fireable offense. Everybody with a brain knew this team was trash at the all star break and weeks before the break. If this team wanted to see if it could compete it HAD to fire Robin so long ago ... that was the only 'chance' to see if it'd wake up these baseball failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:58 PM) I just want an offensive player who can contribute next year. I don't care if that's considered "narrow minded" or "so Kenny Williams". This pitching staff is a playoff caliber staff.. I would not have been that big a fan of the package from the Kaz deal. If you're gonna waste this pitching staff then you might as well trade off said pitching staff. and if selling off on said pitching staff, at least get a rtn of prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) 75% of the posts were freaking out because Samardzija wasn't the first player traded. I think that shows a lack of fortitude. Be patient and have respect for the process. If you wanted to say the Sox should have been selling two weeks ago, not only is that a fair argument, I would agree with you. I think this mixed signals thing is overstated. In operations, it's all about contingencies if the FO you have is good. Right now the Sox are sifting through tens of prospects from more than five teams. They may not have had a specific package on the table ready where they could accept when ready, but they were still acting as sellers behind the scenes even if they were still seeing if they were in the hunt. The only difference is they weren't going to a pull the trigger. i will not answer for anyone else, but for me, i was more angry about 2 things. i have been looking at this catcher for a month now. and maybe some else can attest to it. but i wouldn't want him to. 2nd is i have this picture of the sox fo trying to make a trade and are more into the haggling of the rtn to actually missing the entire trading season. in other words, i have no faith in the fo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) The Astros are without a doubt the most sabermetrical team in baseball. So if you're a saber guy, and knowing how thin catching is league-wide, and they trade him for a rental, wouldn't it make you think they aren't very high on him? They released JD Martinez last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) They released JD Martinez last year. If the White Sox made the trade today and got what Oakland got for Kazmir for Shark, the people complaining would still be complaining. Only, instead of "they waited too long", it would have been "what was the rush" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) My contacts are condemning behaviors of the FO. This is not a race to trade your asset. Yes, the market is shrinking and yes there are more pitchers available but that doesn't mean you undersell your only good asset on the market. I was saying we should have traded Samardzija earlier regardless of the team's hot streak. I am on record saying so. That doesn't mean that because the supposed top contender for Samardzija paired up with the strangest FO in baseball to trade for a different pitcher means the FO struck out on July 23rd. There are plenty of teams in the market for SP. I do think they should act quickly and move him soon but no trade between the two strangest front offices in baseball will get me to a conclusion that the Sox' FO totally f***ed up the trade deadline here on July 23rd. I have patience and understanding of the process so I won't make rash decisions based on one singular related transaction. I agree with this post and I also say Crasnick's tweet could be a mirade of things and it could have even been the Sox working on keeping any leverage they have (I don't really think they have a lot, in the case of Shark) but they'll do what they can to spin things. I still think we should aggressively look at moving Q and Shark. Would anyone be interested in Shields (if say the Pads would do Danks for Shields and cash (or maybe Danks and LaRoche). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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