southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Why are you so anxious to get rid of Putnam? Not going to get a lot for him, why not keep him? I wouldn't say anyone is anxious, but if you look at the numbers game, it is obvious someone needs to go. Putnam is the best combination of effective, and having value on the trade market because of his contract status. It is more common sense than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Why are you so anxious to get rid of Putnam? Not going to get a lot for him, why not keep him? He can also sweeten the pot a bit for a better return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Definitely some smoke with Toronto, I wouldnt be against it. I was hoping the Dodgers would be the best fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:46 PM) He can also sweeten the pot a bit for a better return. Can sweetening the pot yield a better high also ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) Definitely some smoke with Toronto, I wouldnt be against it. I was hoping the Dodgers would be the best fit Yeah...really they are the only team I would take pitching from out of all the teams we've been linked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 08:27 PM) Fangraphs has him with the 29th highest WAR among SPs. He's also had a plus 4 ERA like all year. I like him he's just not been as advertised. Now he's 3.91 due to his hot streak lately. I would t be opposed to signing him in the offseason I've just been frustrated with him. Edited July 24, 2015 by Bigsoxhurt35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Why are you so anxious to get rid of Putnam? Not going to get a lot for him, why not keep him? Agreed. No reason to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:56 PM) Yeah...really they are the only team I would take pitching from out of all the teams we've been linked to. I mean, out of all the things we need, pitching isnt my first choice. Our offensive and defensive games are horrific. I honestly believe Sale/Q/Fulmer/Rodon is a good enough core in 2 years to be a serious contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) I mean, out of all the things we need, pitching isnt my first choice. Our offensive and defensive games are horrific. I honestly believe Sale/Q/Fulmer/Rodon is a good enough core in 2 years to be a serious contender. Ofcourse I'm just saying that they have quite an abundance of very good young pitching. I certainly wouldnt mind taking some of those prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:56 PM) He's also had a plus 4 ERA like all year. I like him he's just not been as advertised. Now he's 3.91 due to his hot streak lately. I would t be opposed to signing him in the offseason I've just been frustrated with him. That's with the league worst defense behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) Ofcourse I'm just saying that they have quite an abundance of very good young pitching. I certainly wouldnt mind taking some of those prospects. I get you. Frankly just give me a trade where we come out of it with some MLB ready or almost ready contributors. Not also-rans, fringe pen arms or AAA fodder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Shark will probably be packaged with a reliever to the Jays. They need both. Dodgers and Yankees next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:15 PM) I get you. Frankly just give me a trade where we come out of it with some MLB ready or almost ready contributors. Not also-rans, fringe pen arms or AAA fodder. Boy wouldnt that be nice for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:17 PM) Boy wouldnt that be nice for a change. I fully expect an SP who has been in AA with a mid 4 ERA with avg stuff, a low A project and a defensive catcher with no bat as the return. We've been conditioned to be underwhelmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) I mean, out of all the things we need, pitching isnt my first choice. Our offensive and defensive games are horrific. I honestly believe Sale/Q/Fulmer/Rodon is a good enough core in 2 years to be a serious contender. I have no idea how you can say that . There's about a 50/50 chance ,if that ,that both Rodon and Fulmer will be in the rotation then and both good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:20 PM) I have no idea how you can say that . There's about a 50/50 chance ,if that ,that both Rodon and Fulmer will be in the rotation then and both good. Sure, but thats the bet an org has to make. If you get a top draft pick they have to pan out. If they flame out, well thats a few more years of losing and drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) Sure, but thats the bet an org has to make. If you get a top draft pick they have to pan out. If they flame out, well thats a few more years of losing and drafting. You need to be a little deeper such that a flameout or 2 doesn't kill you. Especially in baseball where flameouts are the norm. Gotta be able to pull talent in the draft beyond the first round (and then properly develop it). Just get the best value. If they get an excess of pitching, trade it for some offense. Edited July 24, 2015 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 No interest in Pentecost unless they wont to throw him in. The guy may never be able to handle the rigors of catching in pro ball and is coming off his second shoulder surgery in the last year. His bat isn't good enough to play elsewhere so it would really only be a good acquisition in that fans would know him as a former first round pick. A trade with Toronto probably needs to center around pitching as thats where they are the deepest and have an assortment of guys to choose from. It also gives the Sox some depth to deal from this winter to fill holes in the offense. If you get Hoffman, Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, or Reid-Foley it gives you some flexibility to move guys like Beck, Montas, Danish, and even Q over the winter to fill in the holes on the offensive side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 03:16 AM) Shark will probably be packaged with a reliever to the Jays. They need both. Dodgers and Yankees next. from the yanks i would take sanchez-catcher. he is my #1 catcher i have been looking at for the last month dodgers has 2 very interesting catchers. my #3 and my #5 catchers i have been eye-balling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsiskel Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:52 PM) No interest in Pentecost unless they wont to throw him in. The guy may never be able to handle the rigors of catching in pro ball and is coming off his second shoulder surgery in the last year. His bat isn't good enough to play elsewhere so it would really only be a good acquisition in that fans would know him as a former first round pick. A trade with Toronto probably needs to center around pitching as thats where they are the deepest and have an assortment of guys to choose from. It also gives the Sox some depth to deal from this winter to fill holes in the offense. If you get Hoffman, Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, or Reid-Foley it gives you some flexibility to move guys like Beck, Montas, Danish, and even Q over the winter to fill in the holes on the offensive side. Reid-Foley is the only one in that group that *might* be dealt. No chance in hell we get Hoffman, Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, or Osuna (who is essentially their closer at the moment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 03:48 AM) You need to be a little deeper such that a flameout or 2 doesn't kill you. Especially in baseball where flameouts are the norm. Gotta be able to pull talent in the draft beyond the first round (and then properly develop it). Just get the best value. If they get an excess of pitching, trade it for some offense. i agree.... i am looking at a possible fa sp, one who was not given a QO. so there will be no draft pick being lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 03:52 AM) No interest in Pentecost unless they wont to throw him in. The guy may never be able to handle the rigors of catching in pro ball and is coming off his second shoulder surgery in the last year. His bat isn't good enough to play elsewhere so it would really only be a good acquisition in that fans would know him as a former first round pick. A trade with Toronto probably needs to center around pitching as thats where they are the deepest and have an assortment of guys to choose from. It also gives the Sox some depth to deal from this winter to fill holes in the offense. If you get Hoffman, Sanchez, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, or Reid-Foley it gives you some flexibility to move guys like Beck, Montas, Danish, and even Q over the winter to fill in the holes on the offensive side. thank you.... i have been preaching that for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) from the yanks i would take sanchez-catcher. he is my #1 catcher i have been looking at for the last month dodgers has 2 very interesting catchers. my #3 and my #5 catchers i have been eye-balling. The trouble with Sanchez is that, despite his age, he has been a top Yankee prospect for a couple of years, yet has been passed up by 2 other yankee catching prospects. He looks like one of those stale minor leaguers that may head south soon (such as the "top prospects" we picked out in the Quentin, Santos and Jackson #2 trades). Certainly could be wrong. Just not my top choice. And honestly, I would rather WilliamsHahn not try to zone in on that one prospect - their evaluation skills just aren't that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 05:09 AM) The trouble with Sanchez is that, despite his age, he has been a top Yankee prospect for a couple of years, yet has been passed up by 2 other yankee catching prospects. He looks like one of those stale minor leaguers that may head south soon (such as the "top prospects" we picked out in the Quentin, Santos and Jackson #2 trades). Certainly could be wrong. Just not my top choice. And honestly, I would rather WilliamsHahn not try to zone in on that one prospect - their evaluation skills just aren't that good. for me, the yanks had 4 deep catching prospects last yr. 1 was traded to azl, another left the other was called up. now that leave sanchez. now the word is or rumor is he is a difficult teammate.... but i don't trust that. anyway a catcher who can give this team a temp fix for 2 yr+ is all i am looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 01:13 AM) I disagree on this. Hoffman and Sanchez could definitely be moved. Hoffman has been far from the guy he was in Cape Cod League. Fastball is pretty much straight on some days. I am not saying he can't recapture his stuff, but both him and Sanchez have arrows pointing down and could be moved. I am not concerned about Hoffman, guys from various sites are saying that he's pitching conservatively and that the Jays have restrictions on him and that the further away from the TJ surgery (Unrelated Side Note: My mom is going to her elbow cleaned out after having it twice in a few weeks) the more restrictions will be removed. I'm still high on Hoffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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