Quin Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2015/07/r...by-trade-value/ Number one shouldn't come as a real shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Immediate reaction is surprise at Rodon being so low. Second reaction is that Robertson is too high. Would be way too high but not a lot of value below him. Well done overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Well done. The only thing I would disagree with is the Dodgers and cubs being the only teams with enough to acquire Sale, I'd put Houston's loaded farm in the mix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) Immediate reaction is surprise at Rodon being so low. Second reaction is that Robertson is too high. Would be way too high but not a lot of value below him. Well done overall. Personally I still think in this offensive starved era, Abreu is more valuable then Rodon. Clearly I can't argue Rodon over the two other pitchers (so I presume you think he might be more valuable then Abreu, but I still value production and Abreu's had it and I think when healthy he's closer to last year's Abreu then this year's). When it comes to Robertson, who else on that list is worth more. He's pitching at a value commensurable with his contract and is a proven closer. I presume the Sox aren't even interested in trading for him and only select teams would be interested (and they'd have to be large market teams). I suppose if the right team valued Putnam, you could see Putnam go for similar trade value (due to his favorable contract). It is why I have a hard time just dealing Putnam or Petricka. Unless a team is going to give us some legitimate talent, then why flip them. They aren't too expensive and if they become bigger household names, you could arguably get much more for them. I see more downside then upside, unless a team was going to give us a borderline top 100 guy or some raw talent that we saw greater upside in. I think the player who might be most underrated is Eaton. That said, it doesn't take too many names until you get to guys who really have no value if moved (imo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 11:48 AM) http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2015/07/r...by-trade-value/ Number one shouldn't come as a real shock. I hope the o.0 emoticon for Flowers' WAR was intentional because I laughed really hard. I might rank Alexei higher because shortstop. Good post though. Edited July 24, 2015 by shysocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) Personally I still think in this offensive starved era, Abreu is more valuable then Rodon. Clearly I can't argue Rodon over the two other pitchers (so I presume you think he might be more valuable then Abreu, but I still value production and Abreu's had it and I think when healthy he's closer to last year's Abreu then this year's). When it comes to Robertson, who else on that list is worth more. He's pitching at a value commensurable with his contract and is a proven closer. I presume the Sox aren't even interested in trading for him and only select teams would be interested (and they'd have to be large market teams). I suppose if the right team valued Putnam, you could see Putnam go for similar trade value (due to his favorable contract). It is why I have a hard time just dealing Putnam or Petricka. Unless a team is going to give us some legitimate talent, then why flip them. They aren't too expensive and if they become bigger household names, you could arguably get much more for them. I see more downside then upside, unless a team was going to give us a borderline top 100 guy or some raw talent that we saw greater upside in. I think the player who might be most underrated is Eaton. That said, it doesn't take too many names until you get to guys who really have no value if moved (imo). I'd put Petricka, Putnam up there with Robertson in value based on the fact that for his actual production Robertson is at best fairly paid and if not, significantly overpaid (not even considering his reliability this season). $10 million is a premium price for any closer with the limited number of innings they pitch. I'll take the much cheaper guys in value any time compared to a closer at that price. If Abreu is the guy he was last year while healthy, which I'm not sure...the fact that we're now on 3 nagging injuries in 1.5 years is a point I can't ignore. He may still be the 2014 first half hitter and we may never see that hitter again just because he's already having so many nagging injuries. I feel like I'm watching Carlos Quentin in 2010, still a solid hitter but way down from the MVP level guy. Right now, Jose Abreu is fairly paid if you spread out his signing bonus a bit, Rodon is way underpaid, therefore I'm putting Rodon ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) I hope the o.0 emoticon for Flowers' WAR was intentional because I laughed really hard. I might rank Alexei higher because shortstop. Good post though. Subconsciously. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 12:07 PM) I'd put Petricka, Putnam up there with Robertson in value based on the fact that for his actual production Robertson is at best fairly paid and if not, significantly overpaid (not even considering his reliability this season). $10 million is a premium price for any closer with the limited number of innings they pitch. I'll take the much cheaper guys in value any time compared to a closer at that price. If Abreu is the guy he was last year while healthy, which I'm not sure...the fact that we're now on 3 nagging injuries in 1.5 years is a point I can't ignore. He may still be the 2014 first half hitter and we may never see that hitter again just because he's already having so many nagging injuries. I feel like I'm watching Carlos Quentin in 2010, still a solid hitter but way down from the MVP level guy. Right now, Jose Abreu is fairly paid if you spread out his signing bonus a bit, Rodon is way underpaid, therefore I'm putting Rodon ahead of him. That's why Petricka and Putnam are in the same tier and ranked immediately after Robertson. All three could bring back a nice B level prospect. Abreu is more proven and I believe would net more in a trade. Regardless, they're very close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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