CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Carlos Sanchez .344 , .382 , .469, .861 Melky Cabrera .342, .366 , .632, .997 Tyler Saladino .333, .325, .487, .812 Alexei Ramirez .323, .353 .581 .934 Adam Eaton .313, .476, .531, 1.007 Geo Soto .300, .364, 1.00 1.364 only 10 at bats Avi Garcia .226, .294, .290, .584 Jose Abreu .222, .300, .306, .606 Adam LaRoche .162, .162, .189, .351 notice no walks Tyler Flowers .087, .087, .087, .174 23 at bats Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 09:24 AM) Carlos Sanchez .344 , .382 , .469, .861 Melky Cabrera .342, .366 , .632, .997 Tyler Saladino .333, .325, .487, .812 Alexei Ramirez .323, .353 .581 .934 Adam Eaton .313, .476, .531, 1.007 Geo Soto .300, .364, 1.00 1.364 only 10 at bats Avi Garcia .226, .294, .290, .584 Jose Abreu .222, .300, .306, .606 Adam LaRoche .162, .162, .189, .351 notice no walks Tyler Flowers .087, .087, .087, .174 23 at bats Interesting excellent... thank for your work in assembling the info. i was thinking of this last nite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan In Husker Land Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 With the bat Adam Eaton has been steadily getting better as the season has gone on after a terrible start. Eaton April/March 19 G .192 Avg .241 OB% .256 SLUG% .497 OPS .234 BABIP 7 R May 26 G .262 Avg .325 OB% .402 SLUG% .727 OPS .302 BABIP 20 R June 25 G .276 Avg .355 OB% .459 SLUG% .814 OPS .316 BABIP 13 R July 20 G .267 Avg .375 OB% .453 SLUG% .828 OPS .315 BABIP 14 R From May 1st until July 25th, Eaton has scored 47 runs in 71 games. At that pace over a full season of 162 games that would be 107 runs. It's also nice to see this isn't due to some inflated BABIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 06:56 AM) With the bat Adam Eaton has been steadily getting better as the season has gone on after a terrible start. Eaton April/March 19 G .192 Avg .241 OB% .256 SLUG% .497 OPS .234 BABIP 7 R May 26 G .262 Avg .325 OB% .402 SLUG% .727 OPS .302 BABIP 20 R June 25 G .276 Avg .355 OB% .459 SLUG% .814 OPS .316 BABIP 13 R July 20 G .267 Avg .375 OB% .453 SLUG% .828 OPS .315 BABIP 14 R From May 1st until July 25th, Eaton has scored 47 runs in 71 games. At that pace over a full season of 162 games that would be 107 runs. It's also nice to see this isn't due to some inflated BABIP. Great post. Take out that horrible April and he's actually been more productive with the bat than last season due to his unexpected increase in power. Also, not sure how his defense has trended month to month, but it seems like he was once again the victim of early season struggles. Honestly, I have no concerns about Eaton going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 It's almost like he just had a bad month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) It's almost like he just had a bad month. Anybody else think we should overpay for Heyward? 2/3 OF defense set for 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Anybody else think we should overpay for Heyward? 2/3 OF defense set for 5 years. If we're going to spend $20 million this offseason on someone, finding a corner OF who can hit and play some defense fits this team a heckuva lot better than signing an expensive RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan In Husker Land Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) Anybody else think we should overpay for Heyward? 2/3 OF defense set for 5 years. It is not my money, so yes I think we should overpay for Heyward. He would be 26 at the beginning of the contract, plays very good D in RF, and is adequate with the bat. Take a weak spot and make it into a strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) If we're going to spend $20 million this offseason on someone, finding a corner OF who can hit and play some defense fits this team a heckuva lot better than signing an expensive RHP. Hell I'm on board. I'm getting really sick of Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 10:29 PM) Hell I'm on board. I'm getting really sick of Garcia. in that case, some team can trade for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) in that case, some team can trade for him. No one will want him. He has ~0 trade value. He's in the same position as Viciedo last year, a guy you could get on the waiver wire who has shown nothing in the big leagues and is about to get more expensive. We can pretend he has trade value but he doesn't. If you're rebuilding, he's the kind of guy you claim if your coaches like him. You play them & see what happens because the worst thing that happens is you lose games. If we want to compete next year, barring a major change in his style of play over the last 2 months of 2015, he can't be the starting RF. Hell, if we want to make a legit WC run, either him or LaRoche, take your pick which one you want to bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I'm not as down on Avi as most of you. Obviously, he is struggling. Probably pressing. Still hustling; he'll get hot anytime soon, I hope. Much better baseball player than Viciedo. As some guy in Green Bay said, "Relax." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:05 AM) No one will want him. He has ~0 trade value. He's in the same position as Viciedo last year, a guy you could get on the waiver wire who has shown nothing in the big leagues and is about to get more expensive. We can pretend he has trade value but he doesn't. If you're rebuilding, he's the kind of guy you claim if your coaches like him. You play them & see what happens because the worst thing that happens is you lose games. If we want to compete next year, barring a major change in his style of play over the last 2 months of 2015, he can't be the starting RF. Hell, if we want to make a legit WC run, either him or LaRoche, take your pick which one you want to bench. i still like him. this is his first yr without an injury, knock of wood. so he will continue to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:05 PM) No one will want him. He has ~0 trade value. He's in the same position as Viciedo last year, a guy you could get on the waiver wire who has shown nothing in the big leagues and is about to get more expensive. We can pretend he has trade value but he doesn't. If you're rebuilding, he's the kind of guy you claim if your coaches like him. You play them & see what happens because the worst thing that happens is you lose games. If we want to compete next year, barring a major change in his style of play over the last 2 months of 2015, he can't be the starting RF. Hell, if we want to make a legit WC run, either him or LaRoche, take your pick which one you want to bench. I'm going to "pretend" he has value . If Avi was in the minor league putting up a .325average , with his speed and arm and power potential he'd be considered to have 4 of the 5 tools , defense being his only weakness . He'd probably be a top 100 prospect , maybe top 50, the kind of guy most teams are hoarding now. But because he hasn't quite figured it out yet at the advanced age of 23 in the majors he has no trade value ? Yes I will admit he has no value to a competing team but a high level talent is still worth a premium until he's at an age where it's apparent he will never figure it out. He isn't even close to that point yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) If we're going to spend $20 million this offseason on someone, finding a corner OF who can hit and play some defense fits this team a heckuva lot better than signing an expensive RHP. Yes, I agree, plus it would make Avi. a trade chip for whatever he may be worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) Yes, I agree, plus it would make Avi. a trade chip for whatever he may be worth (nothing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 10:55 PM) I'm going to "pretend" he has value . If Avi was in the minor league putting up a .325average , with his speed and arm and power potential he'd be considered to have 4 of the 5 tools , defense being his only weakness . He'd probably be a top 100 prospect , maybe top 50, the kind of guy most teams are hoarding now. But because he hasn't quite figured it out yet at the advanced age of 23 in the majors he has no trade value ? Yes I will admit he has no value to a competing team but a high level talent is still worth a premium until he's at an age where it's apparent he will never figure it out. He isn't even close to that point yet. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) (nothing). Oh come on he's 23..this is really his first yr. I think he gets better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) Oh come on he's 23..this is really his first yr. I think he gets better No one on the White Sox has value in Balta's mind. Just ask him. The guy clearly knows baseball, but his negative nancy BS gets hard to read. Avi is 23 years old, and as someone else just eloquently stated, would have tons and tons of value if he were still in AAA raking away. Sure, he has been terribly frustrating this season, but I doubt the Sox completely give up on him. I suppose I wouldn't be shocked if they traded him - but they won't if he's not a key piece of the deal. But then again, Balta thought Melky was a sunk cost a month ago when it was extremely obvious that the guy was hitting into comically bad luck and would turn a corner. And look at him now...just raking away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) Oh come on he's 23..this is really his first yr. I think he gets better It's entirely reasonable that he could get better, but no one is going to trade anything of value for him on the hopes that he will. He may eventually turn into a solid player, but guys who struggle early and get replaced rapidly because a team wants to win now are common around this league. If you have an opening on your roster for an OF you can find plenty of guys who can be what Avi is right now. He's also a first-year arbitration eligible player this fall so his salary is going to go up...which means the clock is ticking rapidly only him. 2016 he's still somewhat cheap if you pick him up, but if he struggles during 2016 he's exactly where Viciedo was last offseason salary-wise. He has exactly as much trade value as Viciedo had at the end of 2013, when the White Sox kept pretending they were going to successfully trade him somewhere and then never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 LaRoche and Flowers by far the worst. This absolutely screams more Soto, as many of us have been chiming for. Cannot, Cannot , Cannot let LaRoche start against LHP anymore. We'll see what happens tomorrow against Miley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) It's entirely reasonable that he could get better, but no one is going to trade anything of value for him on the hopes that he will. He may eventually turn into a solid player, but guys who struggle early and get replaced rapidly because a team wants to win now are common around this league. If you have an opening on your roster for an OF you can find plenty of guys who can be what Avi is right now. He's also a first-year arbitration eligible player this fall so his salary is going to go up...which means the clock is ticking rapidly only him. 2016 he's still somewhat cheap if you pick him up, but if he struggles during 2016 he's exactly where Viciedo was last offseason salary-wise. He has exactly as much trade value as Viciedo had at the end of 2013, when the White Sox kept pretending they were going to successfully trade him somewhere and then never did. Agreed, but if we pick up a corner OF, I'd rather see Avi hit DH then LaRoche. Trade LaRoche for whatever you can but if you can't let him at the very most platoon DH with Avi. Personally, I could stomach Avi in the OF again next year if it meant a serious upgrade at 3b, SS, 2b or C, which I think we need more than an corner outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 No game thread yet, but Eaton at DH, Shuck in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 8m8 minutes ago Melky Cabrera has four straight multi-hit efforts. He is 9-for-17 with eight RBIs in that stretch Alexei Ramirez is hitting .304 with eight RBIs and one error in 19 games since July 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 21m21 minutes ago Carlos Sanchez hitting .424 during his nine-game hitting streak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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