southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 2m2 minutes ago #Cubs remain on periphery of Cole Hamels trade discussions, source told me a short time ago. @FOXSports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Schwarber+ is a minimum I assume, though a cursory look at some Cub forums has a lot of their fans thinking it can be done for Baez+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Doesn't this mean they're not very involved in the trade discussions for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Schwarber+ is a minimum I assume, though a cursory look at some Cub forums has a lot of their fans thinking it can be done for Baez+ There's no way they are going to trade him. I don't think the Cubs are going to make a major move. I think they are more likely to find a veteran/stop-gap type who would help, but wouldn't cost them a premium prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I've heard the reasoning behind Texas's interest, still so weird to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:38 PM) Doesn't this mean they're not very involved in the trade discussions for him? Sounds to me like one of two possibilities. 1) The Cubs will come up as being a destination for any quality/upper echelon starting pitcher because they have a great farm system and need another arm. Who knows what the actual truth is to some of these reports. 2) They are just letting teams know they'd like to be part of discussions, but haven't made any significant offers. Teams aren't going to turn the Cubs away, given the amount of prospects that they have and it doesn't hurt to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) There's no way they are going to trade him. I don't think the Cubs are going to make a major move. I think they are more likely to find a veteran/stop-gap type who would help, but wouldn't cost them a premium prospect. I do just wonder a bit about how much of an impact they think "making the playoffs" this year would make for them coming out of their rebuilding. They sure seem unlikely to sacrifice any of their long-term pieces, especially since they'll have plenty of money to fill holes on the FA market again, but "making the playoffs even for a game" would really cement the team as on its way up for that fanbase. It might be worth a lot for them to be more aggressive than we'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) I do just wonder a bit about how much of an impact they think "making the playoffs" this year would make for them coming out of their rebuilding. They sure seem unlikely to sacrifice any of their long-term pieces, especially since they'll have plenty of money to fill holes on the FA market again, but "making the playoffs even for a game" would really cement the team as on its way up for that fanbase. It might be worth a lot for them to be more aggressive than we'd think. Well Hamels wouldn't necessarily be sacrificing things long-term, as they would have him for 4 more seasons after this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Well Hamels wouldn't necessarily be sacrificing things long-term, as they would have him for 4 more seasons after this one. But they could pull off something similar by signing Price in the offseason without sacrificing any of their young offensive pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) I've heard the reasoning behind Texas's interest, still so weird to me. What is their reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) But they could pull off something similar by signing Price in the offseason without sacrificing any of their young offensive pieces. Which does nothing for a team a couple of games out of a playoff spot today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) I do just wonder a bit about how much of an impact they think "making the playoffs" this year would make for them coming out of their rebuilding. They sure seem unlikely to sacrifice any of their long-term pieces, especially since they'll have plenty of money to fill holes on the FA market again, but "making the playoffs even for a game" would really cement the team as on its way up for that fanbase. It might be worth a lot for them to be more aggressive than we'd think. I wonder if Theo wouldn't mind moving a couple of these prospects before they become exposed as frauds. I would guess Baez's value is down. Castro could have netted more. A couple of these others, the value most likely will go down unless the Cubs are really lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) What is their reasoning? Basically they feel good about competing next year with Darvish back. But...not sure with gallardo being shopped what that means. So, still confused. But I kind of like the idea of them just liking hamels so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:02 PM) I wonder if Theo wouldn't mind moving a couple of these prospects before they become exposed as frauds. I would guess Baez's value is down. Castro could have netted more. A couple of these others, the value most likely will go down unless the Cubs are really lucky. I'm still surprised they didn't move Baez over a year ago. He had "guy who may turn into something long term but is going to struggle a lot short term" written all over him. You could see that in his approach in AA just by watching. If he made contact the ball seemed like it never landed but there wasn't a pitch he wouldn't swing at. His power is so legit I could still see him becoming a decent big leaguer somewhere, but he seems like a major, multi-year overhaul project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) What is their reasoning? Maybe they think they can still get a wild card and compete beyond this year. But they have some horrific contracts on their books right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) I wonder if Theo wouldn't mind moving a couple of these prospects before they become exposed as frauds. I would guess Baez's value is down. Castro could have netted more. A couple of these others, the value most likely will go down unless the Cubs are really lucky. I would if I were them, but I'd try to get a good pitcher in their mid 20s. They can get pitchers like Hamels in FA. but how will they deal when their position players are about to enter their prime years, and they are paying their 34/35 year old pitchers 25 miillion a year for crap performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-the-...cond-half-2015/ Article I read on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) I wonder if Theo wouldn't mind moving a couple of these prospects before they become exposed as frauds. I would guess Baez's value is down. Castro could have netted more. A couple of these others, the value most likely will go down unless the Cubs are really lucky. Who else is in danger of being exposed as a fraud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 The Cubs really missed a window to trade Castro last winter. There were teams like the Yankees really looking for a SS. Using hindsight, they blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) I've heard the reasoning behind Texas's interest, still so weird to me. I don't think it's weird at all. Hamels is a bargain compared to what other guys will get and he's locked up for 4 more years. He's an ace and is owed $23.5, $23.5, $23.5, and $20 or a $6 million buyout. So it's either 4 years at $90.5 or 3 years at $76.5. A hell of a lot cheaper than paying Price, Zimmerman, or Cueto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:34 PM) Who else is in danger of being exposed as a fraud? Jorge Soler isn't exactly looking like a superstar. I would be shocked if Baez would be enough to serve as the centerpiece for a Hamels trade. His stock is way down. He can't hit. That's the nice thing about being the Cubs, you have a newspaper there to just pump up all of your prospects. They've been doing that for years. Castro of most recent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Source: Rangers nearing deal with Philadelphia for Cole Hamels. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/626570323178209281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 07:50 PM) Source: Rangers nearing deal with Philadelphia for Cole Hamels. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/626570323178209281 Sets Dodgers up for Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:50 PM) Source: Rangers nearing deal with Philadelphia for Cole Hamels. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/626570323178209281 I'm not sure I understand why Texas wants him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) I'm not sure I understand why Texas wants him. Why not? He's not a rental. He can help them more than just this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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