CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) One thing I like about Avi he plays hard. I love seeing him bust his ass down the line. He's beat out a few of those especially when fielders take their time . Can't ever dislike him because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why won't they take Q out of there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Q coming out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why are we not taking these blowouts as an opportunity to blood some of the relievers and get our starters some rest? Come on RV wake up buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:52 PM) Well he does suck. Facts may get in the way of that but the truth hurts sometimes. QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) Yo! I'm still here. I still hate him. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) What's your argument for him not sucking exactly? My argument? Ok, hitting-wise, he's extremely inconsistent and he basically sucks. But, defense at the catcher's position is very important. And while he is a "replacement level" defensive catcher, he is better at throwing runners out (stealing) than Soto, and he is one of the best pitch framers in all of baseball. If framing were a part of WAR, he'd be a positive WAR player. So, yes, he's not a good player, but he doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:55 PM) This is why Tyler is ok for right now. A good offense masks his s***ty bat but he'll contribute some like Avila does for Detroit at times. Yes, and this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Tulo 3-5 tonight HR and 2 doubles nice debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Hamels almost a Ranger...is there going to be any deals left Friday? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:58 PM) My argument? Ok, hitting-wise, he's extremely inconsistent and he basically sucks. But, defense at the catcher's position is very important. And while he is a "replacement level" defensive catcher, he is better at throwing runners out (stealing) than Soto, and he is one of the best pitch framers in all of baseball. If framing were a part of WAR, he'd be a positive WAR player. So, yes, he's not a good player, but he doesn't suck. His defense is in the negative and he ranks 39th out of all catchers via WAR. Soto is much higher. Edited July 30, 2015 by Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) His defense is in the negative and he ranks 39th out of all catchers via WAR. lol he sucks don't know why people try and defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 2 down. People wanting to trade our pen arms are nuts. We'll need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) His defense is in the negative and he ranks 39th out of all catchers via WAR. Soto is much higher. WAR doesn't account for pitch framing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) An 8th inning tested guy would be nice. Webb has thrown pretty well but his radar can go at anytime. Hey, hey, hey its Matt Albers has been decent but would you really trust him in a game you had to win? And Nate Jones is throwing zeroes but fanning no one in the minors. I think he still needs time. While everything you said is true, I think it would be a complete waste of resources to trade for an 8th inning guy when Nate Jones is hitting a 100 MPH in AAA. Give him a bit more time and the rust should come off. Until then, Petricka & Putnam are more than serviceable in the 8th inning role and Webb & Albers are fine as 6th/7th inning guys. If you're trading prospects, get a RF that upgrades your defense and allows Avi to get some time at DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) His defense is in the negative and he ranks 39th out of all catchers via WAR. Yes, but he is one of the best framers in all of baseball. To me, that counts as defense. Also, while his hitting does usually suck, he does have phases where he'll hit .400 for 7-10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Did we get Putnam from the Cubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Did we get Putnam from the Cubs? Well, he was on the Cubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:00 PM) Yes, but he is one of the best framers in all of baseball. To me, that counts as defense. Also, while his hitting does usually suck, he does have phases where he'll hit .400 for 7-10 days. He frames on offense also when he stands looking at strike 3 all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 @scotgregor: Looking ahead: Sale starts for #WhiteSox tomorrow vs. Boston's Steven Wright, who has allowed 10 R, 11 H in 9.1 IP in last 2 starts Offense should tee off again tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 08:01 PM) Well, he was on the Cubs Oh ok couldn't remember where we got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) Yes, but he is one of the best framers in all of baseball. To me, that counts as defense. Also, while his hitting does usually suck, he does have phases where he'll hit .400 for 7-10 days. even if you believe the framing stats as gospel he's not "one of the best". He's above average. http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 6 outs away from a Chris Sale start and a shot at .500 Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 White Sox now up to 25th in runs scored per game in MLB. Just percentage points behind the Braves for 24th. Just 17 behind the Cubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) even if you believe the framing stats as gospel he's not "one of the best". He's above average. http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php I posted a link in another thread, the Soto thread I think,according to BP today he is 3rd best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) even if you believe the framing stats as gospel he's not "one of the best". He's above average. http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php Your own link shows him as 5th best, how does that not qualify as "one of the best"? BP has him ranked third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 29, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) even if you believe the framing stats as gospel he's not "one of the best". He's above average. http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable...php?cid=1821757 I'd call #3 "one of the best". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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