Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) I can't tell you how many threads have been started, cleaned up, combined, and deleted in the last few days because of no catch alls. I am guessing you aren't seeing half of them then. That is what we are supposed to do though. Just like titles of threads get updated to reflect changes in news status (e.g., trade from rumor to fact). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) That is what we are supposed to do though. Just like titles of threads get updated to reflect changes in news status (e.g., trade from rumor to fact). And that is what is being done. The problem is that it keeps generating more and more new ones to try to keep up instead of it all being together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I have basically always avoided catch-alls. In a time like this, you're irrevocably behind if you're gone for a couple of hours. I hate trying to poke around a mass of pages trying to figure out what post everyone is reacting to while also trying to figure out what subject each poster is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) If it's just a trade for Upton, yes. Depending on what he costs maybe not. But if it's for Upton and Ross then atleast you have Ross after this year and Upton for the run. I really hope the Sox are not after Upton. He's a FA to be and K's too fricken much. Ross makes alot of sense though. GB pitcher that can strike batters out. Walks alot of batters but I can live with that. Ross would give the Sox an immediate replacement for Samardzija's rotation spot in 2016. From a Sox perspective, Will Myers would make more sense than Upton. If the Sox trade with SD I hope it's for Myers/Ross. Edited July 30, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) I really hope the Sox are not after Upton. He's a FA to be and K's too fricken much. Ross makes alot of sense though. GB pitcher that can strike batters out. Walks alot of batters but I can live with that. Ross would give the Sox an immediate replacement for Samardzija's rotation spot in 2016. From a Sox perspective, Will Myers would make more sense than Upton. If the Sox trade with SD I hope it's for Myers/Ross. He's in general a better player then Cespedes (and a better defensive outfielder), however, Cespedes is having the better year. I just don't see us trading within the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdiego Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 You could just have the best of both worlds: A catch all thread, but with it in the original post of that thread just keep updating it with all the news rumors. If anyone wanted to be caught up on the latest relevant news, they could just go to the 1st page. And then catch up on reading the discussion in the pages. Easy fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) He's in general a better player then Cespedes (and a better defensive outfielder), however, Cespedes is having the better year. I just don't see us trading within the division. I don't see Cespedes happening either. I was just thinking and trying to understand the Upton interest. Obviously the Sox are in need of another bat but what I'm thinking is that the main target is not Upton, but Ross. I'm sure the Sox would prefer a bat that is not a rental but if taking on a rental to get one of the best GB pitchers in the league is what it takes, it might not be so bad depending on the cost. I will say that Upton plays much better defense than Avi and hits for more power so there are two big benefits. I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:26 PM) I don't see Cespedes happening either. I was just thinking and trying to understand the Upton interest. Obviously the Sox are in need of another bat but what I'm thinking is that the main target is not Upton, but Ross. I'm sure the Sox would prefer a bat that is not a rental but if taking on a rental to get one of the best GB pitchers in the league is what it takes, it might not be so bad depending on the cost. I will say that Upton plays much better defense than Avi and hits for more power so there are two big benefits. I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? Ya could be adding both because Morosi said this morning we were looking at SPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I don't see Cespedes happening either. I was just thinking and trying to understand the Upton interest. Obviously the Sox are in need of another bat but what I'm thinking is that the main target is not Upton, but Ross. I'm sure the Sox would prefer a bat that is not a rental but if taking on a rental to get one of the best GB pitchers in the league is what it takes, it might not be so bad depending on the cost. I will say that Upton plays much better defense than Avi and hits for more power so there are two big benefits. I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? That is just too steep of a package to give up for a rental. I'm giving up that sort of package for Gomez or Reddick or someone else. I don't know that the other teams do it, but that is what I'm trying to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) Ya could be adding both because Morosi said this morning we were looking at SPs. Oh man, with all the rumors swirling around my head I forgot what Morosi had said this morning, lol. That would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:26 PM) I'm curious about what a package would look like. Avi, Erik Johnson, Micah Johnson + ? For 2 months of a .763 OPS that's a fair exchange? He's not a superstar....not even close. He's a good hitter...that's all. Maybe 1 of those guys, if that. Adam Eaton has a .751 OPS....he's under control until 2021. What could we get for him? 10 x that price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) That is just too steep of a package to give up for a rental. I'm giving up that sort of package for Gomez or Reddick or someone else. I don't know that the other teams do it, but that is what I'm trying to get. That package would be for both Ross and Upton. Could still be too much but I'm just a fan with an opinion. Reddick is my #1 target for a hitter but I like the idea of getting Tyson Ross as well. Problem ks, getting those two would clean the farm pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:29 PM) Oh man, with all the rumors swirling around my head I forgot what Morosi had said this morning, lol. That would make sense. When did he say that? I went to his Twitter and found nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) I really don't like the idea of going for a rental. We are still on the outside looking in and are working towards a longer term plan. This winning is nice, but I'd rather give up an extra prospect for Carlos Gomez or someone else who will be around vs. giving up prospects who won't even be around next year to help us (especially positional prospects). What longer term plan? Trading four players for one year of Jeff Samardzija in the offseason doesn't exactly scream long term plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) When did he say that? I went to his Twitter and found nothing. Someone mentioned earlier I think in the buyers thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) That package would be for both Ross and Upton. Could still be too much but I'm just a fan with an opinion. Reddick is my #1 target for a hitter but I like the idea of getting Tyson Ross as well. Problem ks, getting those two would clean the farm pretty good. Reddick is purely a platoon hitter. Hits lefties worse than Laroche. For the price of a platoon, fine. Tyson Ross would be a good pitcher here.....but that seems more of a December trade, unless you are going to move Shark as part of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) Someone mentioned earlier I think in the buyers thread. He was on MLbN this am talking about the sox and said he thought they were looking for SP specifically mentioned Ian Kenedy from SD and Mike Leake from Cincy. I posted about it as I heard it this am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 So it looks like we got a couple rumors today but that may be all. I was hoping for a trade. Might have to wait until tomorrow, or possibly August (waivers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) That is just too steep of a package to give up for a rental. I'm giving up that sort of package for Gomez or Reddick or someone else. I don't know that the other teams do it, but that is what I'm trying to get. This is where I'm at, I would give up a lottery ticket prospect or two like Hawkins for a rental but anything that I see helping the team in the next year or two is staying unless traded for a multi-year impact bat. I'm not even that high on Anderson, would love to trade him for a cost controlled young hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 FWIW, the Padres are 8-4 since the ASB and are just 4 below .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:40 PM) So it looks like we got a couple rumors today but that may be all. I was hoping for a trade. Might have to wait until tomorrow, or possibly August (waivers). It's way early to call it a day. Like AA said about price it wasn't till 6pm last night till he received a call from DET that said Price was available. They didn't talk again till 1130 and didn't strike a deal till 3am last night. Hell we could have already made a deal and no one knows, or we could do one during the game or late tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) Reddick is purely a platoon hitter. Hits lefties worse than Laroche. For the price of a platoon, fine. Tyson Ross would be a good pitcher here.....but that seems more of a December trade, unless you are going to move Shark as part of the deal. Actually, Reddick is a tick better against lefties but I get your point. Nevertheless, I'd still take Reddick's bat and glove. Tyson Ross would push Danks out of the rotation for the rest of the year. Sale, Q, Samardzija, Rodon and Ross gives the Sox a hell of a starting rotation for a playoff push. Ross also makes it easier for the Sox to walk away from Samardzija when Samardzija hits FA. It would be a very smart move by the Sox to do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 05:43 PM) FWIW, the Padres are 8-4 since the ASB and are just 4 below .500. Doesn't mean anything when the Pirates are 18 game over and Giants are 11 games over 500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) Out of Upton and Cespedes, I think Upton would sign an extension of the two. No chance at all that either signs an extension before free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 30, 2015 -> 11:45 PM) Actually, Reddick is a tick better against lefties but I get your point. Nevertheless, I'd still take Reddick's bat and glove. Tyson Ross would push Danks out of the rotation for the rest of the year. Sale, Q, Samardzija, Rodon and Ross gives the Sox a hell of a starting rotation for a playoff push. Ross also makes it easier for the Sox to walk away from Samardzija when Samardzija hits FA. It would be a very smart move by the Sox to do it now. i agree and think it is very doable. i wonder what the pkg will look like to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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