Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 MLB @MLB 14m14 minutes ago .@BlueJays to acquire OF Ben Revere from @Phillies, reports @ToddZolecki. Clubs have not confirmed. #MLBOnTheMove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 That offense is just lethal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) That offense is just lethal. So you aked what team had a single hole in their offense. I think the jays don't have any holes now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wellp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Wow. If you are Kenny and Hahn, you can't be looking at things in a vacuum. You have to be looking at your forecasted club vs. the Jays forecasted club (as well as Baltimore and the Twins). Revere would have been a nice long-term get. I presume Jays will have given up something good to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:28 PM) So you aked what team had a single hole in their offense. I think the jays don't have any holes now I asked what team had no holes. The Blue Jays have a huge hole- pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) Wow. If you are Kenny and Hahn, you can't be looking at things in a vacuum. You have to be looking at your forecasted club vs. the Jays forecasted club (as well as Baltimore and the Twins). Revere would have been a nice long-term get. I presume Jays will have given up something good to get him. He's a rental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) I asked what team had no holes. The Blue Jays have a huge hole- pitching. Yep. Rotation is still bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:29 AM) He's a rental Baseball Reference has him arbitration eligible in 16 & 17. He isn't a free agent until 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Good grief, the leagues best offense just added Tulo and Revere over the last few days. Look out Yankees! Edited July 31, 2015 by BlackSox13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Good grief, the leagues best offense just added Tulo and Revere over the last few days. Look out Yankees! Revere's upside is more in his defense, but he is a solid offensive player as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) Good grief, the leagues best offense just added Tulo and Revere over the last few days. Look out Yankees! Actually the white sox too cause they are ahead of them in wild card standings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Revere's upside is more in his defense, but he is a solid offensive player as well. Definitely. Revere's speed should help the top of the order too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Definitely. Revere's speed should help the top of the order too. Its why I think Revere would have been a real nice fit. No idea how they'd play but one of him or Eaton in RF'er would give us tons of range. I presume it would be Revere in RF as I think he has a better arm then Spanky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Its why I think Revere would have been a real nice fit. No idea how they'd play but one of him or Eaton in RF'er would give us tons of range. I presume it would be Revere in RF as I think he has a better arm then Spanky. Normally I think the Sox would have gone after a bat like Revere's but with the lack of power they seem bent on finding a power bat. I would take Revere despite the lack of power since he would upgrade the defense but the Sox have other ideas. Hope those ideas are good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Revere LF Tulowitzki SS Donaldson 3B Bautista RF Encarnacion 1B Martin DH/C Navarro C/DH Pillar CF Travis 2B Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Its why I think Revere would have been a real nice fit. No idea how they'd play but one of him or Eaton in RF'er would give us tons of range. I presume it would be Revere in RF as I think he has a better arm then Spanky. He's basically Juan Pierre if Juan could defend. I know Eaton is showing more power this season but do you really want those 2 guys in the same outfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) Revere LF Tulowitzki SS Donaldson 3B Bautista RF Encarnacion 1B Martin DH/C Navarro C/DH Pillar CF Travis 2B Wow. Good god. that's a video game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) Good god. that's a video game. When you have a .304 hitter with pop batting 9th, your lineup better be pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) He's basically Juan Pierre if Juan could defend. I know Eaton is showing more power this season but do you really want those 2 guys in the same outfield? Building our team around pitching, I absolutely could live with it. This isn't the steroid era. I'll take productive players and both Eaton and Revere are productive players. I also think they make the pitching staff better and when you think of who Revere is replacing, it isn't that big of a deal. We clearly would want to find a longer term power source at 3B though but yes, I could live with a relative lack of home runs in this era. I want the team to have good players and in my mind, Ben Revere is a good player. I also never had any issues with Juan Pierre, even though he was a slap happy single hitter. I think he was underappreciated for a long time in his career (unfortunately, by the time he got to the Sox, he wasn't very good anymore). I've always felt that stat people underappreciate single hitters with no power. Especially in the case of Pierre where his defense didn't drive strong value. Revere has an OPS > .700 which isn't bad for a slap hitter. In fact, it is better then Avi's and it doesn't even consider the value of defense, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Building our team around pitching, I absolutely could live with it. This isn't the steroid era. I'll take productive players and both Eaton and Revere are productive players. I also think they make the pitching staff better and when you think of who Revere is replacing, it isn't that big of a deal. We clearly would want to find a longer term power source at 3B though but yes, I could live with a relative lack of home runs in this era. I want the team to have good players and in my mind, Ben Revere is a good player. I also never had any issues with Juan Pierre, even though he was a slap happy single hitter. I think he was underappreciated for a long time in his career (unfortunately, by the time he got to the Sox, he wasn't very good anymore). I've always felt that stat people underappreciate single hitters with no power. Especially in the case of Pierre where his defense didn't drive strong value. Revere has an OPS > .700 which isn't bad for a slap hitter. In fact, it is better then Avi's and it doesn't even consider the value of defense, etc. Pierre was underappreciated? He was a hero after the 2003 marlins. Everyone wanted two speedy guys batting 1-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Its why I think Revere would have been a real nice fit. No idea how they'd play but one of him or Eaton in RF'er would give us tons of range. I presume it would be Revere in RF as I think he has a better arm then Spanky. Revere has arguably the worst outfield arm in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:47 AM) Pierre was underappreciated? He was a hero after the 2003 marlins. Everyone wanted two speedy guys batting 1-2. By the sabs, he was nothing but an awful player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 11:49 AM) Revere has arguably the worst outfield arm in baseball. Problem with my logic is I don't think much of Eaton's arm either. And I don't really like the idea of the Melk man in RF. Eaton would play fine in left, just not sure I'd like him in right but I probably overvalue the importance of an arm. You are right on Revere...it isn't to the levels of Juan Pierre or Johnny Damon though. They had arms like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) By the sabs, he was nothing but an awful player. Juan Pierre had 4.2 and 4.0 WAR in 2003 and 2004 with 110 wRC+ and 100 wRC+. Those peak two years of Pierre were great and I'd be very surprised if Ben Revere manages to post those sorts of numbers. Pierre's defense graded out as solid to great for the first ~7 years of his career before there was a quick dropoff to well below average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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