Sox have tried to sign Samardzija to a long term deal

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

He'd look good in the Charlotte rotation. Because that's where he'd be.

 

At least the A's saw value in him and the Orioles saw goose eggs.

[caulfield12]

At least the A's saw value in him and the Orioles saw goose eggs.

 

Because sending Danks out there is so much wiser than a pitcher with a 2.66 era in 47 ip so far this season.

 

Great reasoning...we have too many overpaid starters in Shark and JD, but we're stuck with them so screw the future.

Edited August 5, 2015 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Yeah we're stuck with Shark and he's overpaid. Jesus.

 

Shark is going to take every start for the rest of the season because we supposedly owe him the opportunity to get a big free agent deal.

 

Between Sale and Rodon's turns, they better give Johnson some meaningful non-September starts or the the front office will again be stuck not knowing who they can count on for next year.

 

Instead, we're going to keep sending Shark and Danks out there every fifth day, which will benefit the White Sox how exactly?

 

They should even send Montas out for 2-3 starts to see where he's at with his repertoire, stamina and command with big league hitters.

[shysocks]

Added comments in bold.

Based on a pretty extensive track record. There are few exceptions for player decline when moving to the AL from the NL.

-Here are some exceptions from no earlier than 2011: Adrian Gonzalez, Russell Martin (and please don't tell me him coming down slightly from his career year constitutes decline), Prince Fielder, Chase Headley, David Freese, Logan Morrison. Mark Trumbo declined going the other way. This is based on a glance at this year's qualifying hitters.

 

Players to go NL to AL

last season

Previous league last season Other league first season

Pablo Sandoval .279/.324/.415 113 OPS+ .259/.305/.385 89 OPS+

-granted

Hanley Ramirez .283/.369/.448 130 OPS+ .263/.304/.450 104 OPS+

-performance has been uneven his whole career

Adam LaRoche .259/.362/.455 127 OPS+ .220/.312/.347 88 OPS+

-old/hurt

Emilio Bonifacio .259/.305/.345 82 OPS+ .169/.200/.195 14 OPS+

-uneven whole career, 81 PA sample

Evan Gattis .263/.317/493 124 OPS+ .244/.274/.449 96 OPS+

-granted, although he hadn't established much of a track record

 

2013

Shin Soo Choo .285/.423/.462 145 OPS+ .242/.340/.374 100 OPS+

-old, and played in the AL all but one year. Did it suddenly become too much for him?

Brian McCann .256/.336/.461 118 OPS+ .232/.286/.406 93 OPS+

-had a bigger dropoff from 2011-2012 when he was with ATL than from 2013-2014

Carlos Beltran .296/.339/.491 127 OPS+ .233/.301/.402 97 OPS+

-granted, with "old" caveat

 

AL to NL

 

Nick Markakis .276/.342/.386 105 OPS+ .293/.371/.369 108 OPS+

Alberto Callaspo .223/.290/.290 67 OPS+ .226/.310/.271 65 OPS+

Jonny Gomes .234/.320/.250 66 OPS+ .205/.313/.319 78 OPS+

AJP .251/.288/.337 114 OPS+ .302/.339/.446 124 OPS +

 

2013

Curtis Granderson .229/.317/.407 99 OPS+ .227/.326/.388 103 OPS+

Jarrod Saltalamacchia .273/.338/.466 118 OPS+ .220/.320/.362 91 OPS+

-not sure what you're trying to say here. Callaspo and Gomes are scrubs. Granderson had a down year and then returned to career norms.

None of this proves anything. I mean this is like ten names, not to mention we have sampling issues - we're looking at free agents, who are older by definition and thus more likely to decline; and guys who switched leagues, which means their old team didn't want them for some reason. I look at the guys you named and I can suggest a competing reason for almost every single one's performance drop, and I have just as much proof as you do that my reason is the reason - that is, none.

 

The bottom line is you can't just blame a league switch when there are other reasons a guy's performance might have changed. The talent level of the AL and NL is basically even right now and 8 guys having down years doesn't tell me the 9th will.

[harfman77]

Added comments in bold.

 

None of this proves anything. I mean this is like ten names, not to mention we have sampling issues - we're looking at free agents, who are older by definition and thus more likely to decline; and guys who switched leagues, which means their old team didn't want them for some reason. I look at the guys you named and I can suggest a competing reason for almost every single one's performance drop, and I have just as much proof as you do that my reason is the reason - that is, none.

 

The bottom line is you can't just blame a league switch when there are other reasons a guy's performance might have changed. The talent level of the AL and NL is basically even right now and 8 guys having down years doesn't tell me the 9th will.

 

The problem with that logic is that guys got better when they went AL to NL. It is not a huge list, but it the complete list of free agents that have switched leagues in the last two seasons (that I could find). Its not a random happening, this has been happening for a long time. There is definitely more talent top to bottom in the AL, though the NL does have a couple more high end teams than the AL does.

[shysocks]

The problem with that logic is that guys got better when they went AL to NL. It is not a huge list, but it the complete list of free agents that have switched leagues in the last two seasons (that I could find). Its not a random happening, this has been happening for a long time. There is definitely more talent top to bottom in the AL, though the NL does have a couple more high end teams than the AL does.

That is exactly what it is. You are taking random events and assigning a narrative to them. Who got better going to the NL? Markakis is doing almost exactly what he did last year. Callaspo - the same. Your numbers on Gomes were off, you were only taking his slash from one of the AL teams he played for last year - he's actually been slightly worse. Pierzynski is better right now, but you conveniently forgot to mention that his performance did not change when he went from Boston to St. Louis last year. Saltalamacchia got worse. Granderson is the only one I might give you, but only if you ignore that his final year with the Yankees was pretty much a bad outlier for him.

 

And most importantly of all, this is all based on tiny samples. This is a small collection of players who got worse, and again, I provided a plausible explanation for almost every one of them that had nothing to do with the league they were playing in. You told me exceptions were rare and I gave you a list of exceptions. I'm not convinced.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Based on a pretty extensive track record. There are few exceptions for player decline when moving to the AL from the NL.

 

Players to go NL to AL

last season

Previous league last season Other league first season

Pablo Sandoval .279/.324/.415 113 OPS+ .259/.305/.385 89 OPS+

Hanley Ramirez .283/.369/.448 130 OPS+ .263/.304/.450 104 OPS+

Adam LaRoche .259/.362/.455 127 OPS+ .220/.312/.347 88 OPS+

Emilio Bonifacio .259/.305/.345 82 OPS+ .169/.200/.195 14 OPS+

Evan Gattis .263/.317/493 124 OPS+ .244/.274/.449 96 OPS+

 

2013

Shin Soo Choo .285/.423/.462 145 OPS+ .242/.340/.374 100 OPS+

Brian McCann .256/.336/.461 118 OPS+ .232/.286/.406 93 OPS+

Carlos Beltran .296/.339/.491 127 OPS+ .233/.301/.402 97 OPS+

 

AL to NL

 

Nick Markakis .276/.342/.386 105 OPS+ .293/.371/.369 108 OPS+

Alberto Callaspo .223/.290/.290 67 OPS+ .226/.310/.271 65 OPS+

Jonny Gomes .234/.320/.250 66 OPS+ .205/.313/.319 78 OPS+

AJP .251/.288/.337 114 OPS+ .302/.339/.446 124 OPS +

 

2013

Curtis Granderson .229/.317/.407 99 OPS+ .227/.326/.388 103 OPS+

Jarrod Saltalamacchia .273/.338/.466 118 OPS+ .220/.320/.362 91 OPS+

 

I know you're just using hitters as examples but look at Arrieta and Hammels and how they did in the AL as compared to the NL. Arrieta is probably more a case of a pitcher figuring things out though sonce his 1st year with the Cubs wasn't so hot but last year and this year lights out.

[southsider2k5]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/heym...es-marlins.html

 

The Blue Jays, Astros and Giants all expressed interest in White Sox righty Jeff Samardzija, but the White Sox‘ winning streak plus so-so offers led the team to hold onto the right-hander. Heyman hears that the return would’ve been similar to the one the Reds ultimately got in exchange for Mike Leake, so the Sox simply held onto Samardzija. (Speaking of Leake, he adds that industry consensus pegs Leake as the most likely rental to stay with his new club — perhaps not surprising given Leake’s ties to California and the Giants’ history of retaining such pieces.)

[ChiSox59]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/heym...es-marlins.html

 

Don't let Caulfield see this! It will ruin his narrative!

[Dunt]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/heym...es-marlins.html

 

Uninspiring

[southsider2k5]

Laurence Holmes ‏@LaurenceWHolmes 28m28 minutes ago

 

Remember Samardzija numbers I shared with you? They might add up to him staying a #WhiteSox. Here's my column: http://cbsloc.al/1hvHa0s

[Jose Abreu]

Please no

[southsider2k5]

Laurence Holmes ‏@LaurenceWHolmes 28m28 minutes ago

 

Remember Samardzija numbers I shared with you? They might add up to him staying a #WhiteSox. Here's my column: http://cbsloc.al/1hvHa0s

 

I am surprised no one has said this yet, but this article was embarrassingly devoid of any substance at all. It was a mix of innuendo and insults, with no corroborating evidence or information. It reads like a fan wrote it. Holmes should be embarrassed to have his name attached to that steaming pile of garbage.

[Balta1701]

I am surprised no one has said this yet, but this article was embarrassingly devoid of any substance at all. It was a mix of innuendo and insults, with no corroborating evidence or information. It reads like a fan wrote it. Holmes should be embarrassed to have his name attached to that steaming pile of garbage.

I read it and wondered why you'd posted it.

[ewokpelts]

I am surprised no one has said this yet, but this article was embarrassingly devoid of any substance at all. It was a mix of innuendo and insults, with no corroborating evidence or information. It reads like a fan wrote it. Holmes should be embarrassed to have his name attached to that steaming pile of garbage.

Holmes is a fan. One of the few the sox have on the wcubs, I mean wscr

[southsider2k5]

Holmes is a fan. One of the few the sox have on the wcubs, I mean wscr

 

There is a clear line between being a fan, and a writing and article for the papers. This looks like something that would have been posted to the White Sox facebook page.

[ewokpelts]

There is a clear line between being a fan, and a writing and article for the papers. This looks like something that would have been posted to the White Sox facebook page.

It's a blog post on a radio stations website.

 

 

And you should have heard him on the radio with these stats.

[Panerista]

Holmes is a fan. One of the few the sox have on the wcubs, I mean wscr

I think it's only Holmes and Bernstein as far as White Sox fans on WSCR. Is Mully a Sox fan?

 

I respect Holmes and enjoy some of his speculation.

[kitekrazy]

He fits in with the other mental midgets on this team.

[Dunt]

I think it's only Holmes and Bernstein as far as White Sox fans on WSCR. Is Mully a Sox fan?

 

I respect Holmes and enjoy some of his speculation.

 

Mully is definitely a Sox fan, so is Tannehill. Bernstein is a "Sox" fan. He doesn't know s*** about the team or the farm system.

[The Ginger Kid]

Levine always has his foot on the pulse of White Sox baseball

[GGajewski18]

Rosenthal suggests that Samardzija will be in the range of a James Shields contract. 4 years 70-75 million

[lasttriptotulsa]

Rosenthal suggests that Samardzija will be in the range of a James Shields contract. 4 years 70-75 million

 

I would pass on Samardzija at that price. I'm perfectly okay going into 2016 with Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Johnson and Danks as our starting five. The only way I would spend big money is if we could find somebody to take Danks off our hands.

[southsider2k5]

670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 1h1 hour ago

 

Jeff Samardzija is unlikely to return to the #WhiteSox, writes @MLBBruceLevine: http://cbsloc.al/1MbiY0Y

[shysocks]

670 The Score ‏@670TheScore 1h1 hour ago

 

Jeff Samardzija is unlikely to return to the #WhiteSox, writes @MLBBruceLevine: http://cbsloc.al/1MbiY0Y

What's interesting in there is that he calculates a qualifying offer at $17.1 million. That's the first I've seen of somebody putting an exact number on it.