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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 03:14 PM)
How about hitting .374 in the minors ?

He does a great job of putting the ball in play to the right side, that keeps his average from dropping that low. However, because he's constantly flipping the ball the other way, he's never driving the ball so it becomes a very, very punchless batting average. He was able to do that against minor league pitching because they don't get the scouting reports saying "don't put the ball right here to this guy" and because the control in the minors is lower. In the big leagues, people are just avoiding giving him the ball he can bloop to RF and it's killing him right now.

 

He's absolutely talented, but that only gets you so far. There's no problem with playing as many talented guys as possible even if they've struggled early in their career...as long as you're not dumb enough to count on them as key parts of teams you expect to contribute on a team that must win this year to justify big trades or FA expenditures.

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QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:23 PM)
Hitting .374 in the minors is a skill in the majors in what way?

Hitting for average is a skill. Don't pretend that teams don't look at minor league production as a gauge for what skills a guy has.

 

You hit .374 in the majors, there's a good chance you can hit for average in the majors. Not always, but don't act like Avi was just some stupid call up. There were seriously good signs.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:24 PM)
He does a great job of putting the ball in play to the right side, that keeps his average from dropping that low. However, because he's constantly flipping the ball the other way, he's never driving the ball so it becomes a very, very punchless batting average. He was able to do that against minor league pitching because they don't get the scouting reports saying "don't put the ball right here to this guy" and because the control in the minors is lower. In the big leagues, people are just avoiding giving him the ball he can bloop to RF and it's killing him right now.

 

He's absolutely talented, but that only gets you so far. There's no problem with playing as many talented guys as possible even if they've struggled early in their career...as long as you're not dumb enough to count on them as key parts of teams you expect to contribute on a team that must win this year to justify big trades or FA expenditures.

 

Avi would be an absolutely unbelievable slow pitch softball player (as would any MLBer, but really, he'd be unreal).

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QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 12:23 PM)
Hitting .374 in the minors is a skill in the majors in what way?

 

Oh please don't pretend that if there was a 22 year old hitting .374 in AAA with a .950 OPS that you wouldn't be salivating. If you can't admit those numbers could translate to being a good hitter in the majors then you're just arguing for arguments sake.

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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:27 PM)
Oh please don't pretend that if there was a 22 year old hitting .374 in AAA with a .950 OPS that you wouldn't be salivating. If you can't admit those numbers could translate to being a good hitter in the majors then you're just arguing for arguments sake.

 

Problem is I've watched all his professional ABs since getting called up and that "skill set" hasn't really translated to much. He cant hit a major league fastball, he still takes awful angles in the OF, he is a trainwreck on the bases, he doesnt even have a .700 OPS this season....dude is not good.

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QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 03:32 PM)
Rodon has been disappointing IMO

He's a rookie who was barely out of college this time last year. If he's been disappointing then the problem was your expectations.

 

I still laugh at the person who told me that bringing up Rodon in April would be worth 10 extra wins for this club, but that's where people were in their thinking early this season.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 02:34 PM)
He's a rookie who was barely out of college this time last year. If he's been disappointing then the problem was your expectations.

 

I still laugh at the person who told me that bringing up Rodon in April would be worth 10 extra wins for this club, but that's where people were in their thinking early this season.

Seriously, no one should be worried about Rodon. Most pitchers aren't immediately awesome.

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QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 12:32 PM)
Problem is I've watched all his professional ABs since getting called up and that "skill set" hasn't really translated to much. He cant hit a major league fastball, he still takes awful angles in the OF, he is a trainwreck on the bases, he doesnt even have a .700 OPS this season....dude is not good.

 

Nope it hasn't translated very well so far. But wouldn't you say that most young hitters do not set the world on fire right away ? Go look up some HOF hitters . Some are good right away some take time.

 

Damn the Rays are a pesky bunch.

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QUOTE (bjm676 @ Aug 5, 2015 -> 03:37 PM)
They're going to lose this game, aren't they?

 

As far as Rodon, send him down to get straightened out.

Bring up Johnson

They need to get this out right here. If they're spotted 5 and then lose the lead I think that'll do it mentally for them today.

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